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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
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NEVER happens at Tea Bagger events.
Seizing HIS property... that happened to be on BLM land... which he was ordered to remove several times.
Your complete idiocy never fails to entertain and amaze.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
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Fear I am sorry but you are wrong. That is why anti-American billionaires like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Cabal are funneling billions of dark money into controlling the political landscape. Their massive investment to pervert our political process should be evidence enough for everyone that the system still works and is feared by the Oligarchs. But you Fear are the perfect product of their efforts.
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John M
climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
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Never any garbage left behind either.
lets ignore the moral arguments the occupy movement made because some of them littered.
climbers litter, so we should ignore their needs too..
I am all for not littering, but basing your judgment on the moral superiority of an argument on whether some of the people involved litter is kind of absurd.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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John M
climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
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the bundy protest could have easily devolved into a shoot nightmare where people could have died.
garbage is a breeding ground for disease, but I don't know of anyone dying from someone tossing a gum wrapper.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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Oaf Creaper retired Sheriff Richard "Women and Children first" Mack not so much.
Maybe those tyrannical Gubmint fascists should send in SEAL TEAM .006 to give these children a spanking, wipe their noses and send them to bed without a cookie.
The OWS movement had a legitimate grievance to redress and you wrongwing gun huggers "shet" all over them and their cause.
But now you've got self delusional honor on your side. Good luck with that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
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If I'm not mistaken there was no court order to seize and subsequentlety kill the man's cattle at great loss to himself. He was ordered to pay fees.
And for some of you to equate Tea Party rallies to the type of violence at other Occupy and leftist demonstrations is utterly ridiculous.
It's totally disingenuous, and you know it!
EDIT:The OWS movement had a legitimate grievance to redress and you wrongwing gun huggers "shet" all over them and their cause.
But now you've got self delusional honor on your side. Good luck with that.
What was the legit grievance that OWS had? That warranted what they did?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
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Yea the Cops didn't go and "ruffle the feathers" of the TeaBaggers like they did with many otherwise Peaceful OWS protests as well as G8 protests.
What was their legitimate grievance? Are you joking? And you had the temerity to call me disingenuous? Maybe you should look up the definition of big multi-sylabic words before you try to use them.
The real question is what did they do that warranted what was done to them?
Hint it wasn't threats to kill cops or foment armed insurrection against the Government.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 19, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
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What was the legit grievance that OWS had? That warranted what they did?
Answer the question. You seem to know all.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
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To begin with Blue, don't ever presume to tell me what to do! You don't have a gun to my free thinking head.
I don't know everything. But I do know the media lied about the peaceful OWS movement.
I know that MLK died for his convictions but that his insistent method of peaceful resistance changed the world. Even though he was shot down by a rightwing white supremacist gun nut.
On the other hand Cliven Bundy is unlikely to die for his conviction to not do what 16,000 other ranchers do. He is likely to end up in prison with out a cow to cry on after a court of law convicts him. And you gunhuggers are likely to work up public sentiment that results in self-fulfilling gun regulations.
Thanks a lot azzwhores.
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philo
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
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Apparently I was wrong word is the attack and seizure is underway now.
The feds have launched incendiary white phosphorus shells at the Bundy Melon Farm claiming they were misfired smoke bombs. Sources deep within the Star chambers at HQ promised that no cows, sheep, llama or tortoises were harmed in what the are calling just a brief skirmish in a dung heap". Verification of these claims has not as of yet been made by independent sources.
News at... NEVER!
Look at how a real oppressive government plays with their dissidents.
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John M
climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
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What was the legit grievance that OWS had? That warranted what they did?
Its very telling that you have to ask. I remember you calling these people dirty hippies, like the retired policeman that Philo posted a pic of.
You were very quick to smear their complaints with the.. "its just a bunch of dirty hippies" crap while ignoring the whole picture and what they wanted. It drew a broad spectrum of people and it wasn't organized and paid for by a few rich people, like the tea party is.
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Philo.. I didn't appreciate your comment to Ed on his appreciation thread. Please Leave your negativity out of those threads. If you can post to these threads, then he can bump what he wants. I was glad that he did because I missed some of those threads. This thread certainly won't drop into oblivion anytime soon. So you don't need to defend that. If you have a right to post what you want, then so does he.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:28pm PT
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John M noted and amended.
But will you please let me wipe my own nose from now?
What bothered me is that they were all from Ed and were all simple BUMPs. no content added No value added. Nothing but a form of passive aggressive censorship. I for one have benefited greatly from threads and TRs I intially had missed being bumped. But you have to acknowledge that to some degree it was a lot like a certain lady who went post crazy to censure what she found offensive. And as such just a bit juvenile.
Add content Ed. You are better than that. Much better. Make it worth the time. Make it more interesting than an otherwise innocuous and harmless thread.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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Excellent John M but holy sidewall BatMan.
ps that wasn't a threat. :-)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
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Bluey wrote:
What was the legit grievance that OWS had? That warranted what they did?
Are you kidding????
Oh...maybe had to something to do with Wall St and the amount of wealth that was loss by so many Americans during the 2008 meltdown but I could be wrong.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lv9bsB14JA
Since 2001 Right wing extremists have posed a bigger threat of terrorism than Muslim Jihadists.
You guys are the enemy.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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…and there is a fee because?
Ranchers have been using this land since well before the BLM. Hell, the only reason the BLM exists is because the fed gov bought a bunch of land for another crony scheme, a railroad, which fell through. Instead of selling that land, they decided to lease it off for influence and profit. Same reason Reid can lease off land or do land swaps for his solar electric buddies, or the fed gov leases it for pennies so campaign contributors can frack the hell out of Nevada without the locals having any say. At least if the gas & oil companies bought the land they would have SOME interest in its long term value. Hell, if this land became a superfund site the money would REALLY start rolling in!
Ahh, tragedy of the commons
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
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and there is a fee because?
because when people profit off of public lands, then yes they should pay a fee
and yes, ranchers fatten their cows off public land and should pay
OR they can choose to graze off their own land if they don't want to pay
when people get to enjoy, "profit" off of so to speak, the national parks, they pay a fee
because public lands belong to all of us, and no one is being forced to go on them, but
those who choose to do, can either pay a fee if there is one, or choose to not
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John M
climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
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…and there is a fee because?
there is a fee because when it was free range the ranchers overgrazed it and that hurt all ranchers. With a fee and regulation, then the grass can be maintained and at least some can make a living.
Some ranchers/ people are capable of moderating themselves. But when faced with others who can't or won't moderate themselves, then fees and regulations become necessary.
too many cows can ruin a range.
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