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WBraun
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Oct 22, 2009 - 02:32pm PT
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Dr F -- "are we supposed to believe what WB says?"
Absolutely not!
Blind faith and mental speculation are definitely not wanted.
People are eager to understand the Absolute Truth through the medium of science, and therefore a great scientist should endeavor to prove the existence of the Lord on a scientific basis.
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cintune
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the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 22, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
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Pretty sure Nietzsche was talking about the effect of Christian slave-morality as the antithesis of natural selection. It's not clear that he had a complete grasp of what Darwin was up to, plus he was bigoted against the Brits.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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Cragman-
I just feel compelled to mention it again!
God gave us Alex, blind from birth.
For us to see!!
Powerful!!
We are the blind ones, not Alex!!
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jstan
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Oct 22, 2009 - 02:59pm PT
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"I still don't know how any Christian, Islamic person or Ju
can knowingly celebrate Halloween."
As we all know Halloween or all hallows eve was a pagan ritual celebrating the dead. I presume they pulled out the osuaries and put their grandparent's bones on display once a year. I would guess christians today are just in it for the candy.
And Christ was born, not in December at all but something like six months after passover. There was a pagan celebration at the end of the year to cheer people up in expectation of lengthening days. The christians probably just decided to put the pagans down and steal their celebration.
Might makes right after all, doesn't it?
http://www.essortment.com/all/christmaspagan_rece.htm
“No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast…………..”
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cintune
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the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:02pm PT
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Locker dude, you're just never gonna make it into the club with an attitude like that.
(Hint: First you need to make your questions fit the answers.)
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:18pm PT
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Gaslover- "My general view of the world of values shows that in the highest values which now sway the destiny of men, the happy cases among men,the select specimens do not prevail. But rather the decadent specimens-perhaps there is nothing more interesting in the whole world than this unpleasant spectacle".
Looks pretty grim!!!
So what do you propose???
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:40pm PT
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Lovesgasoline - it sounds to me like Nietsche was responding to the popular movement which latched onto Darwin's ideas, and was later branded "Social Darwinism". Though that term wasn't coined until the 20th century, the movement itself was strongly associated with Darwin's ideas (even though Darwin himself disagreed vehemently with it).
Interestingly, that movement predated Darwin. They basically latched onto elements of his ideas (survival of the fittest) for their own agenda. In the 20th century, it became Eugenics, which was at the root of Hitler's social campaign.
GO
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TripL7
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'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
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jstan!
I don't celebrate halloween!!
Don't hand out candy!!!
Don't dress up as a vampire or Moses or anything else.
Christmas is a season not a date. Doesn't really matter when He was born, just that He was.
His Resurrection is what I celebrate. Prophesied for century's as to when and where it would occur.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:46pm PT
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Famed author C.S. Lewis explained it this way, regarding life here on earth versus life in heaven.
Two men are standing on a high ridge, overlooking a grand vista. One man is a non-believer, the other a Christian. As the non-believer looks out on the amazing view, it is all of heaven he will ever see.
The Christian looks out on the same view, and it is all of hell he will ever see.
It's not that our lives here on earth are terrible, it just pales in comparison to what awaits us in the company of God.
You may think this is a good thing, but I suspect that it (and the equivalent in other religions) will be the death of us if it goes unchecked.
GO
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:48pm PT
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Locker!
Your humor is contagious, don't ever lose it!!
Its a gift from God!!!
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rectorsquid
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Lake Tahoe
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:51pm PT
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"The magic will not work because you are a non-believer" is what most fakes, like Urie Geller said, when they could not do their tricks in front of others.
How does this differ from the modern Cristian who will tell you that God isn't going to answer you because your heart is not in the right place?
Dave
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 03:58pm PT
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The Chronic Dependence of Popular Religiosity upon Dysfunctional
Psychosociological Conditions by Gregory Paul
http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP073984414.pdf
Does religion lead to social dysfunction or do dysfunctional people turn to religion for relief? Both?
Paul found that modern democracies with the lowest rates of social dysfunction—based on 25 measures, including rates of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy, unemployment, and poverty—have become the most secular.
Those with the most dysfunction, such as Portugal and the U.S., are the most religious, as measured by self-professed belief, church attendance, habits of prayer, and the like.
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originalpmac
Trad climber
Ouray, CO
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Oct 22, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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I love the answer, "God put those there to test our faith." Such a cop out for weak minded, ignorant individuals.
Bill Hicks reply goes, "Great. He is fu(king with us. We have a pratical joker god."
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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Go-"You may think this is a good thing, but I suspect that it (and the equivalent in other religions) will be the death of us if it goes unchecked"
"Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends." John 14:13.!!! = 'LOVE'!!! 'SACRIFICE'!!!
GO-(and the equivalent in other religions)???
Certainly not the suicide bomber's!!! = Jihad?!!! KILL !!! 'HATE'!!!
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 22, 2009 - 04:37pm PT
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But that key turns both ways. Bible-toting abortion clinic bombers: KILL! HATE!
I'm not saying you are of that persuasion, but to devout Muslims, Allah is all-loving. The ease with which these doctrines of love are perverted speaks to the weakness of the premise. And the same can be said of those who take "science" as a free pass toward doing ill to others. It's a human trait that transcends simple divisions of faith/nonfaith. Being bad is generally the easier way out of many dilemmas, moral strength is a matter of individual accountability, not just sloughing it off onto someone or something else's shoulders.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 22, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
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Jeff, quit trying to wind us up.
There is a rumor that Dick's daughter had sex with my cat, but wait a minute, he's a male, and there are rumors that Dick has had sex with a Walnut Creek accountant, but I do not believe those allegations. More like Dicky boy went hunting and shot the wrong thing.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 04:55pm PT
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Fat!
Couldn't happen!!!
Light and darkness can not co-exist!!
Here we are meeting half-way!!!
You are always welcome to come over Here!!!
Everyone is well come!!! Even Charlie Manson!!!
And his little brother Marilyn!!!
And once you do, you won't wanna go back!!!
Sealed for eternity!!!
But seriously Rad!!!
Nothin dark about you!!!
Just been hangin in the shadows!!!
And sounding a little lonely, maybe!!!
Trying to figure out what to do with your pocket full of light!!!
You don't need to hide it!!!
Come on over, your already half way!!!
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 04:59pm PT
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777, I have no idea what you mean by this:
Go-"You may think this is a good thing, but I suspect that it (and the equivalent in other religions) will be the death of us if it goes unchecked"
"Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends." John 14:13.!!! = 'LOVE'!!! 'SACRIFICE'!!!
GO-(and the equivalent in other religions)???
Certainly not the suicide bomber's!!! = Jihad?!!! KILL !!! 'HATE'!!!
Please explain.
GO
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 05:04pm PT
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Dr. F, I absolutely love your cacti photos. Always a pleasure to see.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 05:13pm PT
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Go!
Were you saying that eventually Christians were going to become all fanatical like the Islamic Jihadist and start some Holy war if it isn't kept in check???
Evidently not!!!
If what doesn't go unchecked???
And what (equivalent in other religions)???
And don't forget, I am not perfect! Just good looking!!
That's what my mother tells me!!!
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