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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Today, while walking in the woods, pondering the struggles of humanity...
I thought of the suffering I have seen in Zimbabwe, the poor of Honduras, and the struggles of Altain Herders in RU.
I then thought of everything America has done to help our fellow man as well as the world.
Do you realize how good and fair America is? Every time the wheels hit the ground I say, "thank god I'm back in ol' number one!!!) Liberty will succeed.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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I just wish folks understand how good we have it. It is fine to be mad, but to call out sh#t while you go to bed without worrying about the Yak in the back yard. I mean that literally. When was the last time you had to check on multiple livestock/livelihood before you hit the sack
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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gov't problem...Don. The Fed spent their money. SS was supposed to be safe, in gov't hands. Hahaha!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Um...SS is still safe. Ask anyone who invested via Bernie Madoff. I know plenty of people who can't retire because their IRA tanked. I don't know anyone who has had to delay retirement because of SS. In fact the only reason SS is at risk at all is because certain people don't want it to be safe anymore for purely ideological reasons.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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You're right, Donald. I remember those "government is evil" campaigns that swept the Dems into power in 2006 and 2008.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Who was the last person to take money from you?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Note that the "ignore this" part of that photo all took place under tax rates and fiscal policies that would be considered solidly liberal by today's liberals and pure insanity by today's conservatives.
Oh really? What ere the rates from 1986 on/ What was the growth rate? Your chart contradicts your attempted correlation.
John
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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John said Oh really? What ere the rates from 1986 on/
Largely higher and more regulated than they are now. And your comment should come complete with an "ignore this" X through most of the chart as well I guess.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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I am the 99, or maybe near it, I'm not sure. Why do you hate trying to work and make a living?
I'm proud to have a job and contribute to the best country in this world!!!
Go USA! (Where the locals have cable and don't starve). So fu#k you!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Most of these threads just bring out the angry and bitter. This thread is bringing out the hilarious.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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So where are the 'Occupy Yosemite' protesters?
New York and Oakland are easy and fairly meaningless. Lets see some group try to occupy a real park like Yosemite, maybe locate at the Church Bowl?
(near the store and medical)
Yelling and beating drums all night keeping the Park staff and the Ahwahnee Hotel guests awake would not last 24hrs till they were all arrested for disorderly conduct and carted out of the park.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Donald...SS works for lots of people , Tea baggers and anti-government nazis as well...Leave well enough alone...What is your solution for providing Americans with housing , food , and dignity as they enter the final days of their lives..? another tax break for the struggling rich ain't going to fullfill your elusive fox news wet-dream...? What are you proposing , Concentration camps with concertina wired...? Face it you have no solutions , only spoon fed propaganda from the fascist media pigs and their corporate masters....
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dirtbag
climber
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Donald has really lost it.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Donald...Not me...! That is some filthy smut...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Donald sniped And the haughty who continually overestimate their intellect.
Sorry, I mean the bitter and hilarious.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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No, Wes, every time I try to debate you with facts and logic you simply reply with 'fuktards' and 'morons'.
It's actually very telling of when I'm right and you have no retort. This should be obvious to such a smart boy as yourself.
Where did you go to school again?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Corzine is a typical lib politician. Never made anything himself, uses others money to destroy what he has control of.
And then he walks away with a pocket full of kickback cash.
What a mother-f*#ker!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Skippy, that's what I mean. Everything the guy touches rots. Look at his history.
Kinda like someone in the Oval Unit.
And yet he walks away with millions. Where is the outrage? Or media coverage????
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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And people who have government jobs never reintroduce that money back into the private sector again? They don't buy things? Do they live in government run cities eating government produced food or something?
Prosperity comes from production, not from consumption. Government workers don't typically produce anything, or when they do it does not add value. Capitalism requires production of value added goods or services. This creates profit, which usually leads to hiring. Governments can destroy value as well: in East Germany before the Wall came down there was actually a car company that made cars that were worth less on the market than the cost of the raw materials used. In other words they took perfectly good steel and ruined it.
Spending money may increase GDP, but GDP is a flawed measure of prosperity. Increasing GDP in this way is taking advantage of that flaw. If I give you $1000 and you give it back to me we have just added $2000 to GDP. But has it increased our prosperity?
Note that the "ignore this" part of that photo all took place under tax rates and fiscal policies that would be considered solidly liberal by today's liberals and pure insanity by today's conservatives. You are, in fact, making an argument for what you are deriding as "socialism" in that
Yes- you can see that during the 70s (high taxes and a more complex tax code) we had stagnation in growth. Growth picks up with a vengeance in the 80s after Reagan simplified the tax code and cut taxes.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Um...SS is still safe. Ask anyone who invested via Bernie Madoff. I know plenty of people who can't retire because their IRA tanked. I don't know anyone who has had to delay retirement because of SS. In fact the only reason SS is at risk at all is because certain people don't want it to be safe anymore for purely ideological reasons.
No, it is at risk because the funds have been removed and replaced with I.O.U.s. from the Treasury.
I want you to feel just as safe about your retirement savings, so can I take it from your bank account and give you an I.O.U.?
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