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bergbryce
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East Bay, CA
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30% of Singapore's water is treated wastewater. http://www.pub.gov.sg/water/Pages/singaporewaterstory.aspx
Given how that stuff is treated, I'd rather drink that than anything flowing through the Sacramento or San Joaquin Rivers.
Looks like a good soaking coming to much of Northern CA. Long range looks dry again. Guess it's better to be dryier now than in primo precip months like Jan, Feb, Mar.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Israel is another country often cited for their adoption of desal.....but what many don't know, they did that after they had done all the water recycling that was possible. They recycle 85% of their water (some has to be left to wash the salts out.)
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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The Needles last week.
I was blown away at the change over the last few years. A long-time local climber agreed that this is unprecedented.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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DMT, I was very depressed after our conversation.
The local climber is currently brainstorming an underground bomb shelter for the inferno that is sure to come.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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"IF" El Nino is as strong as them "Scientist" say it is, well, many of you on the Westside will be seeing this ...
And many will be crying for it to end and the "Drought" to return.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Light snow this am in the Pah Rah Range just NE of Reno. A good beginning to real winter?
EDIT: wrong picture above. Working on uploading g right picture. New phone. Top picture today . Bottom picture last april.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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You're probably right Chief, mud slides and so on- but the damage from the drought will not be undone.
Massive tracks of Southwestern forest, from Northern Baja to the Sequoia, are one fire away from being permanent scrub oak.
After three trips to Bishop over the summer, aside from low water levels, the forests look pretty good. Maybe someone can explain that...
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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After three trips to Bishop over the summer, aside from low water levels, the forests look pretty good. Maybe someone can explain that...
Easy... over 160 trips up high to various "Secret Holes" since May 1st, I did a lot of pissing in them lower forests.
On a serious note, ALL of them lakes above 10K that I visited as well as streams etc that feed em, well, even the local Cal F&G Bio stated that the water levels in all them Eastside bodies of water were at remarkable "Normal" levels.
Hell, even Sabrina filled up to over 4/5ths it's capacity after being at well below a 1/3rd of it's normal levels just over a four month period. And South Lake, it too came up around 3/4's of it's normal fill level during the same time frame.
DWP just finished dumping Crowley to it's normal fall levels after it maintained a level well above it's normal seasonal levels.
You're probably right Chief, mud slides and so on- but the damage from the drought will not be undone.
Massive tracks of Southwestern forest, from Northern Baja to the Sequoia, are one fire away from being permanent scrub oak.
Ah, that's the way this planet Earth, rolls. It's environment is constantly changing. Some here call it ... Evolution.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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The Chief, tell us more about the hiatus.
You can sound so knowledgeable when you spout those crazy facts!
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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How bout I tell ya more about how the Antarctic Perm Ice is actually growing according to NASA's latest study released this past Friday.
The latest data from NASA shows Antarctica is actually gaining ice mass thanks to snow and instead of driving sea level rise, may actually be slowing it down. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/11/02/nasa-says-antarctic-ice-may-be-growing-after-all/21257391/
And how your Gubernor is going to spend ten times more of OUR money on hiring a Chinese Co to build his Bullet Train to no where than he is going to build water reclamation stations that KenM and others are posting about.
Fact is, IF El Nino does what the Met Scientist say it may do, over 65% of all the precious and much needed water will flow out to sea. Never being utilized.
How wonderful..
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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This shot was taken two years ago. The devastation is amazing (see previous post with recent photo).
Chief, I probably drove right past you-I have almost the exact same picture with the same autumn colors.
Also Chief, let's debate the cause of this on another thread, some other time. I believe there will be related science on this one way or another, in the near future. I know you're not a fan of arguments based on conjecture.
The devastation is beyond conjecture...
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Devastation???
A human term. NOT an Earthly term. It is as it is and as it has been for longer than any human has been walking this planet.
This planet is dynamic in it's OWN TIME FRAME and will do what it does with or without us. And will continue to do so long after we measly humans are gone... thank god.
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John M
climber
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you know what he means Chief. Its going to suck for us humans who live here. In world terms, sure its no big deal. But for us mere humans, it would be devastating, and already is in some ways.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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And that John M is called... Evolution, remember.
On Earths terms, humans are NOT any more special than all the millions of other species that have come and gone over the past 2.5 Billion years.
Love it.
EDIT: Only the species that can adapt to the planets ever changing environment will continue on. Just they have for a longazz time here on earth.
Humans are NOT immune from that natural process. Get over yourselves. Yur GONNA DIE!!!
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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It is raining hard in Santa Cruz right now. Had a forecast of 0.5" and we are at 1" and counting. You can clearing see the stress of prolonged low water in the Santa Cruz mountains. This year has been particularly hard because the number of fog days has been so low on top of three years of low rainfall. This was probably posted on this thread already but just in case it is a good in-depth article on some good science the Carnegie folks are doing.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-dying-forests-20151020-story.html
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Chief, as usual, the article does not say what you say it does:
The problem is sea levels are still rising — though where that water is coming from is still a mystery — and parts of Antarctica are still melting faster than ever.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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I can't argue that point Chief because your 100% right.
Time is unequivocally counting down to the obliteration of Earth. How species survive or parish doesn't really matter in the end, but there's still a dude contemplating a bunker to survive an enferno and that's not hyperbole.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Hey KENM, as usual, you so conveniently forgot to post this which btw yes it does...
The proof, according to NASA, is Antarctica's inland snowfall. Jay Zwally, the agency's lead cryosphere researcher, says, "Our main disagreement is for east Antarctica and the interior of west Antarctica — there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas."
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.
the obliteration of Earth.
You mean like the millions of times that it has occurred the past 3.2 Billion years?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Mike, Where in Santa Cruz do you live? I'm over near Pac. Edge, and at 8:30 this morning we had 3/4" in my rain catcher.
Certainly good, but the temp is too high for much snow to stick in the Sierra.
The Chief, keep it going! I knew you could sound smart, even if you don't talk about the hiatus!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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The tragedy of these rain storms, is how little has been done to capture the water from them. There are so may ways to slow the water down, allowing it to percolate into the ground.
On an average suburban street, a 1 inch rainstorm produces 1 million gallons of runoff. That is water that is wasted. If it were captured on the property where it falls, it is not overwhelming in volume, it is pure, and it is free.
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