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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 12, 2014 - 02:37pm PT
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The deep oceans continue to gain heat. . . .
Sweet! I guess this means we can keep on burning whatever we want with little fear of any negative repercussions, as those deep oceans are pretty darn big and, well . . . deep!
Or just listen to potential Rupub presidential candidate Marco Rubio, who makes some very persuasive arguments human caused global warming. (Actually he doesn't--there may be some good arguments against the AGW theory, I don't know, but Rubio doesn't make any real arguments whatsoever, he just states a "belief" that has as much reason behind it as statement like "I like the Denver Broncos." Hard to tell if people like Rubio are complete idiots, or simply consider that their supporters are complete idiots. Either way, I imagine it's got to be somewhat distressing to the "scientists.")
//“I don’t agree with the notion that some are putting out there, including scientists, that somehow there are actions we can take today that would actually have an impact on what’s happening in our climate,” Rubio said in an interview that aired Sunday on ABC’s This Week. “Our climate is always changing.”
“I don’t know of any era in world history where the climate has been stable,” Rubio added.//
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/marco-rubio-global-warming
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 12, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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They are going to save the day
Still looking for a quote to back that one up
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 12, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
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Chiloe, it looks like we're going to get an El Nińo event of some magnitude. If it turns out to be a strong one is there reason to believe that this would result in releasing some of the stored ocean heat?
Kind of. Deep ocean water remains still pretty cold relative to equatorial sea surface conditions, so I don't think it can release much heat to the atmosphere itself (but may pull down less heat from the atmosphere, so the atmosphere warms faster anyway -- that would mark the end of our "pause").
The El Nino watch involves mainly shallower Pacific waters (<=250m) that actually are somewhat warm. Here is an impressive NOAA animation of the warm-water anomaly moving west to east in the equatorial Pacific, largely subsurface.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 12, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
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Here is an astro-bird's eye view showing sea surface temperature anomalies. In the months ahead, keep your eye on what happens in the eastern tropical Pacific. Against the E coast of equatorial South America you can see warmer waters that represent the surfacing nose of that red temperature-depth slug above.
If El Nino happens, that's where it will show.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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data?
charts??
colored drawings???
don't give me none of that modern pseudo-scientific sh**t
(HA, I'll bet you didn't think I know how to spell pseudo)
I wanna believe what I wanna believe so don't try to scare me with your unsupported science.
Besides, Einstein didn't have all the answers in 1905 so why do you believe in this nonsense?
I get all I need to know about Global Warming BS from Krauthammer on Faux News
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 12, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
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THIS JUST IN!!
"Climate Change causes weather fluctuations! "
HeHe.
So how goes the war against Climate Destruction?
Weather and tempature are secondary really to the main problem, Pollution! Just since the birth of this thread in 2009, everyday we continue to pump billions of gallons of oil out our exhaust pipes, and flush every kind of chemical into the waterways. I can't help imagine how much "Cleaner" the Planet was in '09 compared to today..
Reasons me to believe the planet will be "Dirtyer" tomorrow than it is today..
Lets celebrate the "Today is the Cleanest the Earth will be for the rest of Her life!" day.
I hope you'all are appreciating today's breathable air, and drinkable water!!
We sure are down here in JTree. 80' w/light winds, and suckin from one of Cali's oldest aquifers.
Cheers!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
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^^^^ occasionally I agree with you! Have a great day out there.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 12, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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I can't even pretend to respect skeptics any more. They are either liars or ignorant fools. The fools should just stfu.
All of them can go fook themselves.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 12, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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The BBC story HT cites above, "Nothing can stop retreat" of West Antarctic glaciers references a new Geophysical Research Letters paper by Eric Rignot et al.
We measure the grounding line retreat of glaciers draining the Amundsen Sea Embayment of West Antarctica using Earth Remote Sensing (ERS-1/2) satellite radar interferometry from 1992 to 2011. Pine Island Glacier retreated 31 km at its center, with most retreat in 2005–2009 when the glacier un-grounded from its ice plain. Thwaites Glacier retreated 14 km along its fast-flow core and 1 to 9 km along the sides. Haynes Glacier retreated 10 km along its flanks. Smith/Kohler glaciers retreated the most, 35 km along its ice plain, and its ice shelf pinning points are vanishing. These rapid retreats proceed along regions of retrograde bed elevation mapped at a high spatial resolution using a mass conservation technique (MC) that removes residual ambiguities from prior mappings. Upstream of the 2011 grounding line positions, we find no major bed obstacle that would prevent the glaciers from further retreat and draw down the entire basin.
I haven't read the new paper yet, but will do. Interestingly Thwaites Glacier, which figures prominently in this new analysis, was one of the sites Richard Alley singled out last year at the AGU meetings -- as being a place that could bring "surprise" (abrupt change or threshold behavior) to the stately pace of climate change. From a post I wrote then,
Late in the day I caught part of a session on "Understanding and monitoring abrupt climate change and its impacts." Jim White, lead author of the new NAS report, gave a good intro explaining the concepts of thresholds and abrupt change. Richard Alley followed with a characteristically lively, energized and analogy-filled account of why the ice sheets will decide how fast sea level rises, and we really don't know what they will do. He noted Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica as one with particular potential to surprise us, controlling up to 3 meters of sea level.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 12, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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From the link,
. This is why we conclude that the disappearance of ice in this sector is unstoppable
That's quite a line^
Nature dropping ice cubes into warm water is maybe Her way of healing herself?
Watching video of the melting ice brought to me a feeling of sadness. We're seeing the exact time that ice berg decides to break off and drop into the water. It seems as if he's giving up. Giving in to the certainty of death once he mixes with water. Poo little Ice beeerg!(do that part with a Eddie Murphy voice). Seriously though, what are we do'in to save the Ice bergs? Do we got FEMA up there set'in up refrigerator tents yet? We could send in some bottled Evian water and pour it on them and maybe bring some bergs back to life?
Jus Try'in to be fun y
But in Reality. When we're seeing Ice, we're seein water at its lowest energy form. Less energy, less speed. But with lots of potential for change. Where'as we see water as a faster speed, with more energy. This is all in regards with the Sun and the speed of light ofcourse.
In Reality ice is moving up on the Evolutionary chart? And maybe Steam is Ice's Heaven?
Or Hedoublehokeysticksˇ
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 12, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
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Larry, your back. Last I heard , you had abandoned this shetfest in disgust, never to return. Anyway brother, what does all those zeta joules, impressively and scarily presented in the NOAA graph, actually add up to for a whole ocean temperature change? Furthermore, is that scary increase of somewhere in the neighborhood of one tenth of one degree within the margin of error, what is the chosen baseline, and considering the paucity of measurements before argo how can we take this seriously?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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Our government spends over $20 billion/year on global warming. What's it gotten us?
A lot of great data on what is happening to our climate. That and the rise of a bunch of bozos who claim that siense is stoopit.
"You don't need people’s opinion on a fact," Oliver said. "You might as well have a poll asking: ‘Which number is bigger, 15 or 5?’ or ‘Do owls exist?’ or ‘Are there hats?'"
“The debate on climate change ought not to be whether or not it exists,” he added. “It's what we should do about. There is a mountain of research on this topic.”
Yep, $20B a year gets us mountains and mountains of research. And the facts are in--but the great thing is, you can choose to ignore them. Simply, though, it doesn't matter in the long run what your opinion might be.
So Sketch, what's your next one-line quip gonna be? Something powerful and loaded with insight, no doubt.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 12, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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All anyone has to do is look at the huge spike in co2 of the last 100 years compared to the last 500,000 years to know humans have caused way more co2 than naturally would exist. About 40% more.
Then look at the spike in global temp over the last 100 years compared to the last 1000 years.
It takes some serious self delusion to think humans are not causing rapid climate change.
I'm wary about accurately predicting the consequences (complexities, feedback mechanisms, etc) or proposed efforts to combat it ( someone's going to make money and others will lose money), but to be in denial of reality is so strange.
It's weird to see all the defense mechanisms people use to maintain this self delusion.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
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It takes some serious self delusion to think humans are not causing rapid climate change.
self delusion is in abundance unfortunately. While the Europeans and even Chinese act we fiddle.
Between a mediocre health care system, declining educational system, climate change denial and gun slaughter we are becoming irrelevant to the rest of the world. They see how incompetent we have become as a nation. Incompetent to take care of our own or the planet. In spite of all our natural, human and technical resources. It is truly sad. The climate deniers are the new Nero.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2014 - 10:46am PT
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Oh look, here comes The Chief; sharp as the leading edge of a bowling ball and giving graham crackers a run for their money.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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May 13, 2014 - 10:49am PT
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Holy CRAP. I just accidentally opened this thread for the first time. You guys are BRUTAL.
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