Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
|
Dr Christ,
Martin went beyond self defense when he hit a guy who was down.
|
|
monolith
climber
SF bay area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
|
And yet Z was able to use his gun to kill TM while he was down.
Apparently, TM didn't use enough force.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
|
That's why you should NEVER fight when you can simply run off.
Martin compounded every one of Zimmermann's stupid decisions by fighting when he had other non-violent options.
|
|
Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
|
And Zimmerman went beyond self defense the second he got out of his car with his penis extension and instigated the confrontation.
Absolutely fuking absurdly nauseating that you think GZ can instigate the confrontation while carrying a gun and then kill the kid in "self-defense" but Trayvon can't throw punches when aggressively approached by a strange man who has been following him.
|
|
monolith
climber
SF bay area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
|
TM did run at some point. Z pursued in his car.
An innocent 17 year old kid, force to make the right decision multiple times.
|
|
Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
|
Ron, you forgot the HUGE public outrage that initiated Obama's comments and the attention of the feds.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
|
Monolith writes:
"He did run at some point. Z had a car."
From my experience, when I was Martin's age, running from cops - who usually had multiple cars - there's no better place to ditch someone in a car than an apartment complex.
That's if you actually want to ditch the guy in the car, which Martin obviously didn't.
|
|
monolith
climber
SF bay area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
|
Yep, TM should have been tactically trained on how to deal with multiple scenarios. His fault, sux for him.
BTW, he did ditch him at one point. There was lost contact, before the final contact.
|
|
michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
|
Anytime there's not-black on black crime, there's outrage.
|
|
Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
|
bullshit ^
Anytime a person is followed, confronted, and killed by an overzealous vigilante based solely on appearance there is outrage.
|
|
Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
|
This is a tiny thing, a kid that got in over his head through being cocky.
Right... not an overzealous wannabe cop with a penis extension who instigated a confrontation with an innocent kid and then killed him when he started losing the fight he instigated?
|
|
Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
|
Ron, you forgot the HUGE public outrage that initiated Obama's comments and the attention of the feds.
Don't forget, Christ, that the HUGE public outrage was itself preceeded by a HUGE [nation wide] media blitz, lead by HLN news.
As soon as they stopped their 24/7 coverage of the Jodie Arias trial.
Open wide, here comes the airplane . . .
|
|
Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
|
As soon as they stopped their 24/7 coverage of the Jodie Arias trial.
Who?
Do you see a PATTERN here?
Yes, I do. Easy access to guns for mentally unstable individuals and overzealous wannabe cops who need penis extensions leads to innocent people getting killed.
|
|
monolith
climber
SF bay area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
|
The huge media coverage of the Arias trial stopped cuz there was an uncontroversial verdict. Like Duh.
Some media covers the initial SYG protests. More people learn about what happened. More protests, more coverage, more protests.
Yep, it's the media's fault.
|
|
Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
|
That's if you actually want to ditch the guy in the car, which Martin obviously didn't.
Martin was a courageous kid who, bare handed, took on an armed stalker to protect his neighbors, and you people mock him. Sick.
|
|
Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
|
Jodie Arias was convicted of murdering her boyfriend. HLN news whored out the whole 5 month long trial. It was the main topic on ALL of their programs for that entire time. As soon as it was over they switched to the same shameful microscopic coverage of rhe Zimmerman trial.
There was a time when not even cameras were allowed into the courtroom. They had these people who would do sketches.
There are good reasons we had rules like that. Such as what we see occuring now.
Oh, never mind, don't think for yourself, the media will let you know what you should concern yourself with. C'mon, it is really getting obvious what they are doing.
|
|
Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
|
G. Zimmerman should be sued and held accountable for willfully damaging public infrastuctures and accessways with the back of his head.
|
|
Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
|
??? Nothing??
|
|
HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
|
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/trayvon-martin-and-the-irony-of-american-justice/277782/
The Atlantic, as always, with comprehensive and intelligent reporting on the issues surrounding this case.
A cop got fired for using Treyvon Martin's image for target practice. Classy.
There were smartphone games about shooting Treyvon. Didn't hear about that one.
This photo was circulated after the shooting claiming to be the image of Treyvon:
See the resemblance? (hopefully not)
Probably most importantly, they cover the simple fact (as I have posted here) that outrage is not over the fact that Zimmerman got off, but that him getting off ensures that this same sh#t will happen over and over and over.
In November, black youth Jordan Davis, a 17-year-old Jacksonville resident, was the only person murdered after Michael Dunn, 46, allegedly shot into the SUV Davis was inside several times after an argument about the volume of music playing.
According to Dunn's girlfriend, Rhonda Rouer, Dunn had three rum and cokes at a wedding reception. She felt secure enough for him to drive and thought that he was in a good mood. On the drive back to the hotel they were residing at, they made a pit stop at the convenience store where the murder occurred. At the Gate Station, Rouer said Dunn told her that he hated "thug music." Rouer then went inside the store to make purchases and heard several gunshots while she was still within the building.
Upon returning and seeing Dunn put his gun back into the glove compartment, Rouer asked why he had shot at the car playing music and Dunn claimed that he feared for his life and that "they threatened to kill me." The couple drove back to their hotel, and claim they did not realize anyone had died until the story appeared on the news the next day.
After killing Jordan Davis, Michael Dunn ordered a pizza.
"Shoot first ask questions later" is no longer a hyperbolic description of America. You can't drive with a BAC over .08, but feel free to shoot people.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!