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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, sorry i have not checked in here in a long time...
wow, so very happy to hear all this great news!!!
keep up the great work, and keep on enjoying the new fresh things,
along the way!!!
wow! to each and every one of you... dial up, you know so:
i am not taking time to name you all, i might get 'disconnected'
sooooo, the wow, goes to THE WHOLE BUNCH OF YOU!!!
thanks for posting your victories!
and for any back further, that i did not see that are struggling:
IT IS possible, as, others have made it... you can too...
:)
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TwistedCrank
climber
Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
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Looks like today is going to be another good day to be sober.
Thanks folks!
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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sobriety is never off topic if you open this door. all things good start there.
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jt698
Social climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Four months sober for me. My wife and I have found we can explore the wilderness and do fun things or drink ourselves silly. Sucks we can't do both. I hate explaining why I can't have just one glass of wine or beer over and over.
I think hankster taught the guy that took me on my first jump to BASE jump. Assuming there is only one and based on the stories I think there is only one--small world.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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7+yrs clean and sober. No meetings , no doctrin, no one telling me how i have to do it. If I can earn a 4th dan and lead WI5 I have the will power to do most things I seriously set my sights on. not real big on being told what to do and how to think....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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so now if i don't do what the man says and follow HIS rules i am garuenteed to fall off the wagon, get in a car wreck and kill someone? Nice.....
Sounds like a really sweet bunch all high and mighty with their gallons of coffee and cigeretts..Whatever
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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The AA vs not argument is about as useful as a bolting argument. People will do what they will do.
Many ways are valid. Many aren't. Let's please keep politics and suggestelling somewhere else, from both sides, and just be supportive of each other. Remember, one drunk talking to another and all that..
Thanks.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sorry. I just get riled when folks try to shove their religion down my throat. I got my own religion to contend with...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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this drunk sick fk
yes chief, you pretty much nailed who you are. your also an an arrogant as#@&%e who believes he knows everything and lets everyone know that.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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I'm not pointing fingers. I understand both sides.
She's posted of FB lately and seems ok.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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booze is like LSD, do very little not very often and it can be ok,
do a lot everyday and welcome to a huge nightmare,
if 1 leads to 100, then none is best,
everything in moderation and moderation is the first to go,
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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im only part human.
my show is compromised.
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silentone
Mountain climber
wisconsin
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Hey, can someone explain the concept of a "dry drunk",
I'm in the I need to cut down but can still enjoy a few beers now and again fantasy. I can still funtion (funtional alcoholic) and sometimes I get scared at how good I feel after days of not drinking. Then I think to much and can't get out of my own way.Is this drinking thinking?
Hope Terrie is alright.
Peace and serenity to you all.
Love S.O.
(Paul)
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Edge
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Silentone, if you ask at an AA meeting they will describe a dry drunk as someone who manages not to drink by sheer willpower and by not working their program. In reality, many programs and approaches can be effective, but you have to do something to address the deeper problems. Excessive drinking is just a symptom of alcoholic behavior, which effects us mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. If you merely don't drink and carry on with the rest of your life in exactly the same way expecting different results, you are a "dry drunk." Einstein would say you are insane, and I would tend to agree.
I used AA heavily for my first year of real sobriety (I had been going off and on for 5 years prior) and only when I and others began seeing significant progress in my mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual growth did I stop attending traditional AA meetings in favor of other avenues that help me continue to grow as a "spiritual being in a human body." I'm not too proud to say that should the need arise I would return to the meetings in a heartbeat for the exceptional support that can be found there. To date it has been over two years without attending a meeting, but I continue to work a different program that works for me and allows me to continue my evolution. This thread is a nice supplement to that.
It also helps me to remember my last drunk, which was similar to the first time I had sex. I was alone and in the dark, and there's no need to ever go back there...
Cheers.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Well said, Edge. Thanks
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Edge
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jim, I read your two posts carefully a couple of times and I'm still not sure what you are saying.
I will add as clarification that for me personally, when I refer to spirituality, I am not referring to religion. Rather it is a way of life where I continually strive to be the best person that I can be, evolving constantly and moving forward. I am far from perfect, but I keep running it out on lead towards that elusive summit.
Nature plays a huge part in this, as does love of family and friends. I would never want to subject them to me as a drunk again, but more importantly I don't want to do that to myself. If I have a foundation in the 12 & 12, it is just that, a firm footing from which I build off everyday. AA helps many, and I try to offer support without preaching to whomever needs it and wants help, no matter what "program" they choose to work. It is not up for me to judge another in any way, but I am always willing to offer a spot or a soft catch if asked, judgement free.
Cheers.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Edge, you've hit on an important point.
I think the issue of spirituality is far more important than the issue of religion.
I have, on many occasions, seen supposedly recovering people using their religion as a shield from being spiritual, particularly with respect to other people.
There can also be an issue of boundaries, where a religious person manifests their religiosity through attempts at conversion.....almost always unwelcome.
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silentone
Mountain climber
wisconsin
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Thanks for the insight Edge.
That makes alot of sense to me.
It is a great day.
Silent one
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I find that those who preach the loudest about their religion are almost always the ones who are the farthest from spirituality and /or the teachings of their own religion.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Bingo
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