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k-man
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2014 - 11:04am PT
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Tell me why we should expect anything different from you.
So excitable.
Sketch, how does a "Yawn" signify excitement to you?
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k-man
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SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2014 - 11:10am PT
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The Ed is stuck on his endless presentation of selected portions of papers,...
@Rick, I gotta call you out on this one. Ed presents whole papers, and when those prove too long for skeptics such as yourself to read, he presents the key parts of those papers. You know, the smaller portions of the papers that contain the key information that debunks your screwball claims.
Malemute's quote should hit you, rick, square in the head:
If you deny a clear preponderance of evidence, you have crossed the line from legitimate skeptic to ideological denier.
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TLP
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Mar 24, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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Rick, look at the significant changes in the Earth's ecology that have occurred: a big proportion of the gross biomass of the planet has been removed, mostly from forest clearing. The proportion of the land surface occupied by communities of plants and other organisms that have most of their original biodiversity has shrunk dramatically (to only a few percent at most, in all places with significant human occupation). Major hydrological systems no longer function as they did only a few decades ago: large rivers no longer flow to the sea or do so only as a trickle, huge lakes and associated wetland systems have almost entirely disappeared in several places (Iran, Africa), and so on. We won't even talk about the atmosphere.
If an astronomer were observing a planet somewhere outside the solar system with sufficiently good sensors and historical data to see such changes, he or she would say, wow, a really big ecological disaster happened on that planet. Kind of like the changes that, to the best of our ability to measure, occurred the last time a sizeable asteroid smacked into Earth. Imagine a time lapse video of Google Earth starting 1 million years ago and then running through to today at the same speed. The changes in the last blink of an eye would be breathtaking.
It's merely objective fact. You may not like it, but it is the case.
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TLP
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Mar 24, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
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I know that you are just being deliberately obtuse, but the post did specifically say that similarly large, or larger, scale ecological changes happen from totally natural causes like (for example) asteroid impacts. Mars used to have surface water, now it doesn't; no humans there. But just from an objective standpoint, that's an ecological change. If you have a lot of organisms, then you have few, that's a big change. How is that factually incorrect? Oh, I know, there is no such thing as either a fact or a non-fact.
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Wade Icey
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www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 24, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
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(now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day...)
Chef predicts Election Results. It's Fred Flintstone in a liberal eco freak anti Scientism destroying Deathmatch.
in his own words...
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day.
Another total pathetic joke fantasy scientism religion man that hides behind his avatar.
Right on cue... anyone that disagrees with your sorry one way whiney left winger ass, is a "loon".
No where near as shetty an AGWer that you fking make.... No where near.
par for the course for the standard professional liberal spoiled ass whiner
liberal eco-freak caveman agenda
Right on cue...
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It is going to do wonders at the voting polls this coming November for your side of the isle.
Watch and cry.
Right on cue... There goes any hope for your Caveman agenda.
Of course if that does in fact occur, your agenda is on "ice" for at least 2-4 years. Who knows, by then, this "hiatus" could go into it's second decade. Then you all will have lots to worry about.
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
personal attacking artwork that his croanies will suck his ass in appreciation. Again, par for the course.
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Yippppeee!
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
There goes any hope for your Caveman agenda.
Wonderful.
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
Right on cue...
Fact is, come this November, you and your croanies will have lots to whine about. Lots.
A Lame duck president and a Rep led Senate and House.
There goes any hope for your Caveman agenda.
You best start cutting out some holes in the floorboard of that 20 year old hoopty Honda of yours
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO![/quote]
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
No matter what you or EDH or any other scientist here scream at the top of their lungs.
It aint gonna happen as you stupid egotistical humans keep screaming it's modeled to happen.
It will happen as the planet and the Universe dictate it'll happen. NOT any of you.
Get over yourselves and your human based scientism religion.
HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
There is no past, present or future in the realm of the Universe. Only in man's head. Time is a human entity. Not that of the Universe.
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The Universe has been as it is and always will be. Constant flowing change is the primary law of the Universe. We measely humanoids will never control that. Never.
The human species will fade away as have so many other millions of species on this planet. We are no different than any of those that came before us. We think we are. But we aren't. Unlike the few select species that have survived for millions of years and are still around, we are too worried about what we term the future instead of living now in the present and believing that we can control that future.
The term "Preserving the future" is a fallacy. As is the term... "Normal". Does not exist in the infinite realm of the Universe.
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
For supposed intellects such as EDH to even state that, shows that he is turning his back on the general "physics" of the entire Universe. All to be on this train that you call Anthro Global Warming.
It aint gonna happen.
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
Another total pathetic joke fantasy scientism religion man that hides behind his avatar.
now the loons come out in full force exposing themselves to the light of day
YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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rick sumner
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reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 24, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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My god TLP, you are a complete loon. Apparently you are thousands of light years removed from the body Earth.
Take a look back in time through your high resolution telescope. The 20,000 year old light spectrum will reveal an earth with significantly less CO2,less forestation,less unfrozen wetlands, rivers not flowing to the sea, and the the markedly reduced animal kingdom huddled around refugia of last resort, a tiny percentage of the landmass not ground down by kilometer thick continental size glaciers and vast cold deserts-its called the Pleistocene, an age of glaciation we are in temporary relief from. Get an education TLP-mankind is insignificant in comparison.
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Wade Icey
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Mar 24, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
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Thanks for composing these lengthy "gotcha" posts. They really do add to the conversation.
Gotcha Posts?
just preserving the Chef's rhetoric for future entertainment. there's a certain illiterate poetic idiocy only he can convey.
what conversation?
oh, you mean the one where your contributions consist of "Yawn."
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TLP
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Mar 24, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
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Rick: Incorrect again. Even at the last glacial maximum, ice and polar desert occupied a much smaller proportion of Earth's land area than is currently greatly altered by human activity. There is more to the planet than the north temperate/boreal zones.
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Wade Icey
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Mar 24, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
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Right on cue Chef. too f*#king easy.
YABADBADOOOOOOOOO!
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Wade Icey
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Mar 24, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
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nice pic of your turban, Chef. but careful, your latent tendencies are showing.
Yabadabadooo
You're keeping up with my posts, too?
I feel so honored.
What matters is you care.
Of course I care. Sketchy. I'm as concerned about the mentally ill as the next liberal eco freak.
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rick sumner
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Mar 24, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
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"do you read this stuff, rick"? Asks Ed. I might ask you the same professor. I didn't shoot my mouth off with a stream of insults such as you unleashed, rather i just "presented a paper for Dr. Hartouni's review". Now why did i do that? Well, read the guts of it, like in 4.1 to 4.7. I note the publication date of oct. 2013 excludes it from inclusion in AR5, not that it matters since the time frame for accurate "projections" from models that include all mechanisms,relationships, quantification, and the computing power needed for accurate simulations of past, present and future states of climate is beyond our historical context.
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rick sumner
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Mar 24, 2014 - 11:53pm PT
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Not in the least confused. Just trying to expand upon Ed 2.9, for every ones benefit. I'm glad you are rejoining problems of the real world. Might do the same myself.
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Wade Icey
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Mar 25, 2014 - 01:46am PT
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YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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sci-fi
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Mar 25, 2014 - 05:05am PT
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It is interesting to see how climate activists always attack the messenger rather than the data that is presented.
Does any you reject that there has been no global warming in the past 10-15 years?
Do you not find it strange that in this same period we saw an increase of about 25% of the CO2 that humans have ever emitted, and this did apparently not have any effect on the global average temperature?
Do you not acknowledge that the current climate models are way off target when compared with the actual observations, as presented in the Nature paper by Fyfe et al.?
Do you object to the fact that it is proven that increased CO2 is directly responsible for greening of the planet in the past decades?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50563/abstract
Are you even aware that we are currently in a cold part of the Holocene despite much higher levels of CO2?
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6158/617
Solar activity is directly linked to the occurrence of the Little Ice Age, at the end of which the thermometer was invented. Would you expect the temperature to do anything but increase after that event?
More interestingly, we are likely facing a similar event in the near future, because solar activity is predicted to drop to zero in the coming decades. That sounds like a real problem to me, but no one even discusses this risk, because they are blinded by the CO2-story.
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sci-fi
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Mar 25, 2014 - 09:17am PT
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As I said, “attacking the messenger rather than the data”. There is a kind of sick desperation in your replies.
FYI, I’m currently a postdoc in geology at one of the top 5 universities in the US and will soon switch to another one of these. Clearly, it matters what your field is. Having worked with rock drill cores as I have is probably more relevant than being, say a biologist or a physicist with no understanding of long term changes.
I was referring to this quote:
“Over the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO₂ put there by humanity since 1750”.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21574461-climate-may-be-heating-up-less-response-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Although it is not a scientific paper, I’m sure the data is pretty easy to find. Do you have a problem with those numbers?
As for the lack of agreement between models and observations, you must be fanatical not to see the problem. Try and read what a real climate scientist thinks about this issue:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-hans-von-storch-on-problems-with-climate-change-models-a-906721.html
Increasing CO2 levels definitely also result in benefits for crop yields and more importantly they will need less water:
http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/cr/v54/n1/p35-47/
This doesn’t require evolution, it’s happening right now and all plants
would thrive at 1000 ppm, because the atmosphere is highly depleted due to carbonate rock formation for the past 600 Ma:
http://www.biocab.org/Geological_TS_SL_and_CO2.jpg
So do you not agree that it is colder now than it was during the Holocene Optimum (ca. 7000 years ago), despite the fact that CO2 is 400 ppm now and was about 285 then?
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dirtbag
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Mar 25, 2014 - 09:48am PT
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Good morning Chief.
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rick sumner
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reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 25, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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Ahh yes, real science Dr. Hartouni. Also unaffected by the politically charged mess that is climate science. Your roots?-before joining the military industrial complex? Seems more exciting and serene there on the cutting edge of theoretical physics.
Sci-fi, if its any consolation to you; even if you had another dozen doctorates under your belt and was recognized as the worlds foremost authority on climate change, the response would be the same ( if not more severe) from the desperate climate industry troops.
All hail The Chief.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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It is interesting to see how climate activists always attack the messenger rather than the data that is presented.
sci-fi is butt-hurt because Ed outted him as a fraud.
As for that von Storch guy, he's my kind of people:
In 1977, Hans von Storch co-founded a 100-member Donald Duck Club, defending Donald Duck against the accusations of indecent behavior. Between 1976 and 1985 he was publisher of a magazine on Donald Duck, Der Hamburger Donaldist.
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k-man
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SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2014 - 10:45am PT
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sci-fi writes:
...with a PhD in geoscience and a dozen peer-reviewed publications under my belt, ...
Later, s/he states:
I’m currently a postdoc in geology at one of the top 5 universities in the US and will soon switch to another one of these.
sci-fi, care to name any of the peer-reviewed publications you have under your belt as a "PhD"?
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rick sumner
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reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 25, 2014 - 10:51am PT
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Glanton, without people from all walks of life, like The Chief, willing to battle the lunacy of the cuckoo birds, you would be much further down the road of self ruin. The populace is awakened, this long nightmare of alarmist scenarios fading, but for the last desperate flailings.
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