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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 12, 2014 - 06:04pm PT
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I never worry about wallethuggers.
EDIT; never.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 12, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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Yeah Sketch ,I am starting to like extreme WEATHER......hahaha
It was 58f yesterday.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 12, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
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Problems US worry Great Deal about in 2014
telling that your graph doesn't list literacy as a problem, much less one that the public would worry about…and there you go thinking you speak for the public…
Got it.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 12, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
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A new NASA study shows Earth's climate likely will continue to warm during this century on track with previous estimates.
http://1.usa.gov/O1fYIr #EarthRightNow
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 13, 2014 - 08:10am PT
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11F This morning.
55f predicted for friday.
Solid 2 foot of snow.
It could be gone by saturday.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:50am PT
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Yeah sketch, we know... you prefer absolute and authoritative language backed up by a complete ignorance and lack of any understanding of the subject. I suppose that is why you and chuff get along so well.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
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It all seems to be little more than a working hypothesis.
Hold on to that belief Sketch.
For me, I'll form my beliefs around what the scientists who study the climate say. And they are saying, unequivocally, that the sh#t is real.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 13, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
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For me, I'll form my beliefs around what the scientists who study the climate say. And they are saying, unequivocally, that the sh#t is real.
That's the mentality that keeps the religious establishment in power too.
I guess everyone needs to make a living.
Here's a summary of where I think we're at:
1. Mankind's dumping massive amount of CO2 into the atmosphere will in fact cause a certain amount of global warming, due to basic physical and chemical principles that have been known for over a hundred years.
2. The doom-and-gloom projections are based on assumptions that the relatively small amount of warming in (1) will, because of various feedback mechanisms, cause something like an out of control "death spiral."
3. In point of fact, and to mankind's good fortune, it seems that the feedbacks have been negative, and so the warming in (1) has been even less than what may have been reasonably expected. We got lucky!
4. The above points have been greatly complicated and obscured by an industry of "scientists" and opportunists whose livelihoods depend on continued taxpayer funded "studies" and government programs designed to "solve the problem." They may have also been somewhat complicated (more in the past than in the present) by those with an agenda to minimize government regulation.
5. Because of (1), some limited government regulation and further study is useful and desirable, but as far as pressing problems facing the US and the world,the public's ranking of "global warming" is pretty spot on--if you got 20 problems, it's at or near the very bottom.
Seem accurate?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 13, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
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well blahblahbullsh#t, you got 1 out of 5 right. You've made great progress over the last few years. We are proud of you.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 13, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
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All three of those show the Hiatus clearly,Malemute.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 13, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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It is truly sad ,as evidenced here,that not enough see it that way.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Mar 13, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
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'Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.' --Naploean Bonaparte
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 13, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
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why not declare victory and go home?
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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Don't forget to take your obsessive, excessive, constantly barking rabid dog Malemute home with you too .....
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 13, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
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For me, I'll form my beliefs around what the scientists who study the climate say. And they are saying, unequivocally, that the sh#t is real.
That's the mentality that keeps the religious establishment in power too.
 blahblah
Now blahblah is saying belief in religious dogma is the same as believing in the scientific study of climate change.
How foolish can one be?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
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One of my favorite things about the deniers is how fast they are to jump on anyone that says extreme weather is a result of climate change... but have no problem redefining "climate" based on convenient 15 year intervals... while ignoring the 100+ year trend.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
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Now blahblah is saying belief in religious dogma is the same as believing in the scientific study of climate change.
How foolish can one be?
Here's the problem. All of us believe in science to some extent.
But there are good scientists and bad scientists, and good science and junk science.
The quotation marks I sometimes use are generally to reference bad science, or at least "science" the validity of which is still in dispute.
Things like phrenology (look it up if you want to see how misguided "scientists" can be) used to be regarded as good science; now it would be a silly joke if anyone knew what it was.
Another example is that our government "scientists" classify marijuana as something that has no legitimate medical value. Those of us follow the issue know that is complete BS (not to say I think MJ is great or a cure all, but at least for certain conditions, it obviously has some value for some patients).
Because good science has been so successful in both explaining how many aspects of the world work and being the basis of modern technology, lots of people are basically brain washed into thinking that anything that anyone who calls himself a scientist says is true.
I'm not against good science, just bad "science." Some of my best friends are scientists (well at least one guy I used to climb with was a CU chemistry post-doc, before he moved away).
At least some people on this thread think they've poked some holes in the dominant paradigm (or think others have poked holes, and they're reporting on that). I'm not even saying those people are right--just give 'em a chance to speak their peace and consider the merits of what they have to say.
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