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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 09:06pm PT
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
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LOL, Chief. Yep, different CO2 emission scenarios are going to produce different results.
You aren't very bright, are ya?
BTW, Chief, love how you keep editing your post and dropping your range.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
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LOL, Chief. Scenario C is an assumption CO2 emissions would have a decline around the year 2000. The other scenarios are increasing emissions.
Thanks for the laughs.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
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Looks pretty close to me, Chief.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 09:48pm PT
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Yep, Chief, Hansen used a CO2 sensitivity factor that was too high.
We've learned a lot in 25 years.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 11, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
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So, a while back i checked out what Ed's preferred data set Hadcrut 4 and what his resulting plot was built from. Jones et al 2012 seems to be the basis of the hadcrut4 data adjustment series .See link below for full transcript. Its a lot to digest, but gives a good idea of how the raw data is manufactured into the final product.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/HadCRUT4_accepted.pdf
On page 5 is the following recommendation- " We recommend that, in addition to the use of HadCRUT4, data set users consider testing the robustness of their results by comparison to other available data sets". So that is what i did and the following link i find most compelling regardless of what the professor or Chiloe have to say.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/10/maybe-that-ipcc-95-certainty-was-correct-after-all/
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 11, 2014 - 10:28pm PT
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Look at that "HIATUS" up in there.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 10:43pm PT
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Hum, how come the IPCC isn't confirming Sketch and The Chief's claim that global warming has halted for 17 years?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 11, 2014 - 10:53pm PT
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you're babbling now, The Chief...
was there a hiatus?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2014 - 11:47pm PT
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defined as the reduction in GMST trend
Wow, Chief, you are amazingly stupid.
And of course they are referring only to GMST, not ocean heat content.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Mar 11, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
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The IPCC is "confirming" that the warming has stopped
Uh, no. That is not even what your own quote says. Can you read? Try the part about defined as a reduction in trend of surface temp. Then let us know what ocean heat content is doing during that same time period.
Illiterate, Innumerate Clown.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:00am PT
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Just goes to show Azzcap, the IPCC is as good at redefining the english language as they are at manufacturing alternate reality.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:04am PT
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Illiterate, Innumerate Clown.
Ah, yes. Usually the first indication of losing a discussion is to throw names and slander at the foe.
Is 'innumerate' even a proper use of the word here, or an attempt to appear superior by means of an obscure use of the English language?
Hartouni seems to be trying to cling to the tired notion of "consensus" and "settled science".
You people are starting to actually look delusional and somewhat weak, or pathetic in your failure to acknowledge that you may have been wrong.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:05am PT
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Ah, I see. Your inability to read and understand simple english constitutes "redefining the language".
There's an alternate reality alright, the one where a borderline illiterate deck swabber and fully innumerate siding nailer think they can parse scientific papers.
EDIT: And the third stooge shows up right on cue. Tell you what hillbilly, take Monolith's chart a few posts above, that shows global heat content, and show me the "hiatus". No need for fancy charts or replotting the data, ms paint with arrows, or even a written indication with no chart will work. Where's the "pause"
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:06am PT
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defined as the reduction in GMST trend
Notice the word 'defined', Chief.
No need for a dictionary, they defined exactly how they are using the word in this context.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:19am PT
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There's an alternate reality alright, the one where a borderline illiterate deck swabber and fully innumerate siding nailer think they can parse scientific papers.
This is where your disengenuity is clearly shown. You would like to associate me as an electronics-engineering type from the field of atmospheric sciences. I can have no say, or possible understanding, because "it's not my field".
This is utter bullsh#t.
Only people like Hartouni and AzzCap can comprehend a f*#king stupid paper? Bullsh#t.
Also, you make it sound like like no other atmospheric/climate/astrophysicists have ever legitimately derided these "papers".
There is actually a growing group of people who are changing their minds about "Climate Change". There is a reason for that. These people are in your science community. They are starting to say that humans may have nothing to do with all this bullsh#t.
Natural cycles, ones that happen slowly over time. ANd have happened in the past, several times.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:21am PT
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dude, you lost this round... take it like a man. blahblah has apparently withdrawn from the field of battle here...
Just took a climbing gym break--surely the Supertopo rules of engagement allow for that.
Anyway, I didn't see anything in the Hansen plots that seem to correlate to the 1998-2012 "hiatus," however you want to define it (within reason--can't give you guys too much leeway or you'll take it!).
If the official party line is that 15 years or so is too short a period to draw meaningful conclusions, that's fine. But I wish you'd get your story straight, as I'm still trying to figure out if that really is the party line, or if it's the magic oceans, the magic arctic, volcanoes, Chinese pollution etc.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:29am PT
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If the official party line is that 15 years or so is too short a period to draw meaningful conclusions, that's fine.
Have you to talked to Al Gore and the other enviro-nazis? They have been stating that the recent past (15 years) is an indicator.
Yet they fail to look at the past 300 year history, most of which did not have anything to do with fossil fuels....
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Mar 12, 2014 - 12:41am PT
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disengenuity
As I said before, borderline illiterate clowns.
You would like to associate me as an electronics-engineering type
WTF is an "engineering type"? Do you hold an electrical engineering degree? Are you a PE or any kind in the State of CA? Have you studied even basic climate and weather physics? Modeling of chaotic systems?
I'm gonna say no to all the above.
You are yet another petulant bumpkin, stamping your widdle feet because mommy and daddy won't stop using those big 'ol words you can't understand. Smugly thinking your clever while the actual adults in the room laugh at you from the corner. GFY, dipsh#t.
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