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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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What will be more fun is when the public gets access to the same tools (even better ones as the tech advances) and it gets used on wall street and public officials.
There will come a day when the public will be impossible to keep out.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 13, 2013 - 12:16am PT
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Norton, the real bad guys knew not to use telephones 50 years ago. They knew to search people for wires. Do you think for a minute the real terrorist criminals of today are that stupid as to use email?
The only reason to capture and store this much information on everyone forever is material for blackmail at a later date if need be. You're all guilty of crimes you might not even know you've committed. Any of that nonsense can now be used against you should you ever show up on their radar.
The biggest threat to our country is not foreign terrorists. It's the cancer pulling the strings of the rotten puppets in Washington D.C. We've truly destroyed ourselves from within.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 13, 2013 - 02:46am PT
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What will be more fun is when the public gets access to the same tools (even better ones as the tech advances) and it gets used on wall street and public officials.
Just ask Patreaus or Weiner........
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger. Watergate scandal journalist's letter comes as Guardian editor prepares to appear before MPs over Edward Snowden leaks
"Dear Alan,
There is plenty of time and there are abundant venues to debate relevant questions about Mr Snowden's historical role, his legal fate, the morality of his actions, and the meaning of the information he has chosen to disclose.
But your appearance before the Commons today strikes me as something quite different in purpose and dangerously pernicious: an attempt by the highest UK authorities to shift the issue from government policies and excessive government secrecy in the United States and Great Britain to the conduct of the press which has been quite admirable and responsible in the case of the Guardian, particularly, and the way it has handled information initially provided by Mr Snowden.
Indeed, generally speaking, the record of journalists, in Britain and the United States in handling genuine national security information since World War II, without causing harm to our democracies or giving up genuine secrets to real enemies, is far more responsible than the over-classification, disingenuousness, and (sometimes) outright lying by a series of governments, prime ministers and presidents when it comes to information that rightly ought to be known and debated in a free society. Especially in recent years.
You are being called to testify at a moment when governments in Washington and London seem intent on erecting the most serious (and self-serving) barriers against legitimate news reporting especially of excessive government secrecy we have seen in decades."
"What is new and most significant about the information originating with Mr Snowden and some of its specificity is how government surveillance has been conducted by intelligence agencies without the proper oversight especially in the United States by the legislative and judicial branches of government charged with such oversight, especially as the capabilities of information-gathering have become so pervasive and enveloping and with the potential to undermine the rights of all citizens if not carefully supervised. The "co-operation" of internet and telecommunications companies in some of these activities ought to be of particular concern to legislative bodies like the Commons and the US Congress.
As we have learned following the recent disclosures initiated by Mr Snowden, intelligence agencies especially the NSA in the United States have assiduously tried to avoid and get around such oversight, been deliberately unforthcoming and oftentimes disingenuous with even the highest government authorities that are supposed to supervise their activities and prevent abuse.
That is the subject of the rightful and necessary public debate that is now taking place in the US, the UK and elsewhere."
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/dec/03/open-letter-carl-bernstein-alan-rusbridger
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 16, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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What will be more fun is when the public gets access to the same tools (even better ones as the tech advances) and it gets used on wall street and public officials.
There will come a day when the public will be impossible to keep out.
And they will know your actual name, you won't be able to hide behind a screen name, and where exactly you live, work, and what you make and spend it on.
I see why you look forward to that.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 16, 2013 - 12:09am PT
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Norton, the real bad guys knew not to use telephones 50 years ago. They knew to search people for wires. Do you think for a minute the real terrorist criminals of today are that stupid as to use email?
Then you have no knowledge of the mafia in this country. They certainly did.
You also don't know how the CIA tracked down UBL...partially by a pattern of NO usage of phones out of a residence.
As for stupid, ask the former head of the CIA about confidential email....
But in any case, none of this is reason to tell our enemies just what our capabilities are, and how to avoid them....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 16, 2013 - 07:07am PT
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Washington (AFP) - US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden effectively stole the "keys to the kingdom" when he swiped more than 1.5 million top secret files, a senior National Security Agency official said in an interview aired Sunday.
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Rick Ledgett, who heads the NSA taskforce in charge of assessing the impact of Snowden's leaks, told CBS televisions's "60 Minutes" that the contractor possessed a "roadmap" of the US intelligence community's strengths and weaknesses.
NSA chief General Keith Alexander meanwhile said that suggestions the agency was routinely eavesdropping on the phone calls of Americans was false, insisting that less than 60 "US persons" were currently being targeted worldwide.
Ledgett said of particular concern was Snowden's theft of around 31,000 documents the NSA official described as an "exhaustive list of the requirements that have been levied against the National Security Agency."
"What that gives is, what topics we're interested in, where our gaps are," said Ledgett. "Additional information about US capabilities and US gaps is provided as part of that."
The information could potentially offer a rival nation a "roadmap of what we know, what we don't know, and give them -- implicitly -- a way to protect their information from the US intelligence community's view," the NSA official added.
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In this Thursday, June 6, 2013, file photo, a sign stands outside the National Security Administrati
"It is the keys to the kingdom."
Ledgett said he would be open to the possibility of an amnesty for Snowden, who remains exiled in Russia, if he agreed to stop further leaks of classified information.
"My personal view is, yes, it's worth having a conversation about" a possible deal, said Ledgett.
Snowden has been charged with espionage by US authorities for divulging reams of secret files.
The former NSA contractor has insisted he spilled secrets to spark public debate and expose the NSA's far-reaching surveillance.
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U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) Director General Keith Alexander testifies before the Senate Jud
But Alexander rejected the idea of any amnesty for Snowden.
"This is analogous to a hostage-taker taking 50 people hostage, shooting 10 and then say 'You give me full amnesty and I'll let the other 40 go,'" Alexander told "60 Minutes."
Alexander also challenged the view that the NSA was engaged in widespread surveillance of Americans.
"NSA can only target the communications of a US person with a probable cause finding under specific court order," he said, referring to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
"Today, we have less than 60 authorizations on specific persons to do that."
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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AT&T Verizon, etc.
Can not send a bunch of men in body armor with big guns to break into your house and kill you if you resist!
Government can!
That's why we have a Constitution with a Bill of Rights.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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They aren't government and you willingly entered into a contract with them.
I suggest you read it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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Apples and oranges.
Did you fail 5th grade civics?
Or, do they even teach that anymore?
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Dec 16, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
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A contract that violates constitutional rights is not legal and not binding.
Correct, you can't sign your rights away.
If I'm a landlord renting an apartment in a rent-controlled city, I can put some jive in the lease that the tenant signs agreeing to waive rent-control laws, but it would never be upheld by a judge.
Good luck with that though. Also true.
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