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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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i sound crazy all the way to sacto? you got good ears dude - you guys on this thread are so critical, can't we all just get along?
my first day in the garage the crew teased me all thru the first part of the shift. seems that the new guy always had to dump the shitter into the sewage drain. after lunch they broke out a rubber suit, head to toe coverage. i was told to stand outside the rear of the bus and flip the switch. and no matter what happenned, or how bad it got i was to struggle thru and hold the switch open. well i was plenty scared. everyone watched from a safe distance laughing. i hesitated, andonly got more catcalls and verbal abuse for my timidity. then i mustered up the courage to flip the switch and closed my eyes. when nothing sprayed on me, and the crew had a good laugh i realized i'd been had, and we put the little-used rubber suit away for the next hire. that was my initiation, the job was actually pretty easy. we got teamster wages, which was way more than any non-management jobs in the valley, and our shift began at 5 PM. so laugh at me now losers, but i got to climb every day until about 4 and sleep in a bed at nite. guess you had it better in camp 4.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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The plane changed the way of life, albeit temporarily, of many Valley residents, both over and underground. ... Not all residents scored $$$ off the event, but enough did to make a noticeable impact on the community, and not just the community of C4 and it’s legendary stonemasters but on regular folks as well.
well sidmo, not many hear (pun) are , but I'm all ears. Please explain.
The Brotherhood (at least some) was out to change the world, but did they?
The plane crash scavengers apparently were not out to change the world, but did. Just tell us how.
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sidmo
Sport climber
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why would plane crash scavengers, as you put it, be more likely to change the world for the better than any avarage person who recieved a windfall profit from a stock sale, or real estate transaction, or inheritance, for example. we were no better than anyone else, nor worse. some did good things with their money, others squandered it aimlessly. most probably spent some wisely and splurged some too. if you ever lived someplace that experienced a bonanza that was significant because so many who profitted from the event had been indigent then it might not seem unusual to you. i found the phenomenon intriguing myself. licky is more intersted in airplane mechanisms than sociological effects. that's okay, but i think it's the wrong approach to a book project, but it's his perogative. he can write it any way he wants, but it will bore readers if it focusses as much or more on the plane as it does on the people. and for that basic message he singles me out for vitriol. it's ok, i just think it's an odd way to go about writing a book.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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i found the phenomenon intriguing myself. licky is more intersted in airplane mechanisms than sociological effects.
1). Me too. Having seen alot of it up close and personal, it's always interested me. However, aside from a few instances where folks got in and out with good timing most, that I have knowledge of, did not "profit".
2.) I think it's not possible to attribute interests to ric until the book comes out.
3.) Scavengers is probably not a correct choice of words, how about opportunists. Interestingly many in the Brotherhood would fit in the following description, keeping the streets of Laguna Beach nice and tidy, while pursuing the drug trade.
Scavenger appears as an occupation in the 1911 Census of England and Wales. This job title was used to describe someone who cleans the streets, removes refuse, generally a workman (a modern-day garbage collector, janitor, or street cleaner) employed by the local public health authority.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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If someone has a better job than the Yosemite toilet cleaning job at teamster pay, speak now or forever hold your peace.
We need names and verifiable facts. Otherwise it's useless, what you're saying.
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James Wilcox
Boulder climber
The Coast
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Sidmo, that's the beauty of being the author. You can write about
whatever you want. You can omit whatever you want. The only two people
you have to appease is yourself and the publisher.
Look at your own posts. We'd love to edit them (or delete). But you have
the same rights as Rick. Only you or Chris can do that.
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@Don, agreed about truth content. But that's why I included "about". Some think Rick should focus on the climbers' stories after the crash-while he obviously finds the lives of the pilots and that fateful flight more compelling. Since it's his book, his preference trumps.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Sidmo should write his own story.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Don't agree that people can write whatever they want without regard for the truth. However, I wouldn't use sidmo's info either, it's just way too vague.
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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now that IS funny - would you like me to autograph that copy for you?
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2012 - 02:43am PT
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sidmo...my offer for a cup of coffee still stands. You up to it?
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 11, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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This thread seriously needs to go away. In the beginning it was interesting, but as usual it's been twisted so far out of reality and thread topic that there is no saving it. Well done, ST trolls! Add another notch to your keyboards.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2012 - 02:38am PT
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Vegas...all you have to do is not click on the link to this thread. I know
its tough. Its like watching a train wreak. Just look the other way.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 15, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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Back on topic - I still say it was a prop governor.
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Jul 16, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
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I’d meet you Licky, if, and only if, you showed some measure of humility here online – you had no place initiating an acrimonious relationship with me or chainsaw or anyone else on this thread that you disagreed with . . . or found displeasure in for any reason. Admit that like a man and I’ll reconsider. Otherwise you still will seem to want it both ways. You can’t be an impartial historian, writer or journalist while picking and playing favorites. Why would anyone want to help you when your posts make you appear to be a pompous ass? I offered to help once and got attacked for it. My guess is that you will again take offense at my reply, and begin yet another sanctimonious diatribe aimed at those of us with whom you disagree. Prove me wrong if you’re mature enough to. Try the two most difficult words in any language: "I'm sorry" - reading them would change the equation, but I wonder if you have them in your vocabulary.My guess is you have too much “pride” to apologize, much less to grovel. I’d settle for you just admitting to a simple breach of professional ethics and a promise not to do it again. It’s hacks like you that give writers a bad name. Journalists score about the same as politicians in polls, and it’s not right. We do our best to get stories right, and along comes somebody with less ethics and more scintillating copy. As I said, it’s not right. You should strive for accuracy, and that means seeing things from perspectives other than your own.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 16, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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I don't know. Ric made 26 posts with the name sidmo mentioned. I'm not gonna re-read them all, but the first couple (number one below) seem pretty polite to me.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=73572&msg=842944#msg842944
I've offered to return locker's dirty laundry after he accused me of 'borrowing' them, intimated that he looked like philo, under appreciated his commitment to Da Brim, misinterpreted some of his more esoteric photographic work, but he has never turned me down for coffeee, nor I him.
The beat goes on.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
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"...and begin yet another sanctimonious diatribe aimed at those of us with whom you disagree." I'm shaking my head in wonder at you sidmo. Are you yelling at yourself in a mirror? I simply offered to have a cup of coffee with you. Maybe at the table we can come to some mutually acceptable level of civil discourse. Ya think?
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sidmo
Sport climber
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Jul 17, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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Looky here Licky – it is incumbent on you to change the tone of the discourse here on the thread that you initiated and may benefit from if you ever do finish your book – both professionally and financially. If you believe that I could be appeased with a cup of coffee in some quiet café then I guess you underestimate my aversion to your manner and technique. You may well succeed, but it will be in spite of your rudeness, not because of it.
I’ve been on both ends of interviews, and I respect the process too much to allow a bully to circumvent what should always be respectful exchange of information and viewpoints. The good news, Licky, is that it is not too late for you to admit that this is a complicated process and perhaps you may have erred from time to time in your public communication with some of your correspondents. In other words, publicly apologize to me, Chainsaw, and anyone else that you disparaged during the long course of this thread. Chalk it up to experience, and avoid looking like an intransigent juvenile. Contrition can be cathartic if you allow it to help you grow in a positive direction.
The truth behind this feud is obvious to anyone who cares to read. I offered my small contribution freely and for some reason you balked. That is your prerogative, and no one would deny you that. The vitriol that subsequently emerged from your end was both uncalled for and unprofessional. You looked small and petty in the process, which was unfortunate and avoidable. You still ask for something for nothing, as is the going price for information in your world. But in the professional world of words and letters courtesy pays the tab for participation, and I must insist on extracting that price for my cooperation. Not the price of a cup of coffee; I can afford to go Dutch, thank you.
What I am saying here Licky, is that you can extricate yourself from my scorn for nothing more than the price of a post. Simply apologize as I recommended and I believe you will find relief from a situation that, while you may be able to withstand it, would undoubtedly be simpler if it went away. I’ll get off your case if, and only if you grow up enough to say you’re sorry, but I can’t speak for Chainsaw. You see, I am not him. When you accused us of being one and the same, you destroyed any professional credibility you may have had. You were dead wrong on that point, and you should admit it. Stop attacking your sources. You don’t piss in your vegetable garden, why would you shyt in your internet thread?
And stop worrying about my motive for corresponding, or anyone else’s. If we don’t share our reasons, then silently note that when you evaluate our contribution, or lack thereof. If we are holding back on you, browbeating a confession will not be effective. Just take information, and thank the source if you are inclined to be polite. Attack the source only if you care to appear impolite. Use the golden rule, if you will. Your job is to gather information, not bolster your ego. Stop flaming online, it’s counterproductive.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
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knock...knock...knock Sheldon...knock...knock...knock Sheldon...knock...knock...knock Sheldon...knock...knock...knock Sheldon...knock...knock...knock Sheldon...
Couldn't help myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f85ViOmwbI0
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sidmo
Sport climber
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Jul 17, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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????????????? is that an inside joke ??????????????
makes no sense in any comprehendable context
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