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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 12, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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as expected,, brilliance from Biden,,, he now wants "smart guns" that can only be fired by the legal purchaser.... Smart guns???
as a responsible, law abiding gun nut, why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else? So you can arm your 'friendlies' when Obama comes for your guns?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 12, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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President Obama should NOT have put together a commission to study ways to possibly reduce mass murder.
He should NOT have picked his own Vice President to head this commission.
Instead, he should have picked someone committed to NOT find solutions.
I will mock and ridicule any and all ideas his commission comes up with.
The ONLY solution is MORE guns, any fool like ME can see that.
MORE guns, more armed guards, more armed teachers, and NEVER "less" guns.
Freedom isn't free.
LOL, ROTFLMAO, etc etc
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jstan
climber
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Jan 12, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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There is an old principle of management. Never promote someone with enough ability to take your job from you. You put a person with little to no ability in office and you get even poorer people in very important positions. Obama has avoided any semblance of this old adage. An adage that not so long ago had terrible and what will prove to be lasting effect on the US. Ms Clinton is very able and might yet be persuaded to seek higher office. Jack Lew constructed the Fiscal Cliff Trap the republicans fell into. Not being joined at the hip to Wall Street is only one of his many talents. And Joe Biden handled this guy Bill Ryan extremely well. And when given an impossible job that had to be done in weeks, VP Biden has done a huge amount of work and done it thoroughly.
I would say he would not have done his job had he not looked to see what technologies are out there that might be of use. Only time will tell what will be of use and what will not. We, at the least, are not frozen into passivity as some would prefer. So that they may continue unobstructed personal pursuit of what is clearly a fetish.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Seems like everything proposed so far will serve to diminish the utility of and make more difficult to use the tools of self defense.
When The Pros ( like the cops ) decide to incorporate truncated magagines or *smart* technology into their self sefense tools, then perhaps I'll consider following suit.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
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They're talking out of both sides of their mouths, Ron.
First, we're told gun owners need more training and education. But if you educate yourself ( as in knowing the difference between military rifles and military style rifles ) and you train often ( as in "go shooting" ), then you have a *fetish*.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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actually, the Merriam-Websters has an excellent definition that seems to fit... certainly in senses 1a, 1b, 2 and 3...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetish
1a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
1b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : prepossession
1c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2: a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
3: fixation
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 12, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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an object believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
the belief that guns are some guarantee of individual liberty to their owners is a clearly a "fetish" by the above definition.
The liberty of individuals is tied up in the concept of "We the People," as contradictory as that may seem. You will have no liberty in anarchy.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 12, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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What you label a fetish is innocent people deciding not to be a victim.
no, what is fetish is the belief that guns are the answer to prevent victimization by crime. Crime has many causes, and all of them can be addressed by the action of communities. The belief that one can stand as an individual against these forces does not convey liberty to those individuals. Their choice locks them into a set of actions that are highly constrained by their perception of the threat.
Don't you want to exist without having to use guns to "protect" that existence?
Wouldn't that be preferred?
What is the meaning of liberty when you cannot act freely?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
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why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else?
Anyone answer this yet? Or have they just stomped around like little kids DEMANDING that it won't work because they said so... and that it isn't a fetish... liberty... fascism... what's next "smart hammers"... UK... [insert non sequitur here]... whaaaa... I need my guns... nothing can change.... founding fathers... 1776... I'm sane, but I will start a civil war if anyone tries to change anything...
Hey Chaz, nobody said anything about cops anywhere. Step away from the slippery slope....
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.
If I were to take up biathalon, I'd find out what rifle the lady in the shot East Side Underground posted is shooting, and make that part of my pool of consideration.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.
Ah, but you see, YOU ARE NOT A PRO... so why the fuk do you think you should have access to PROFESSIONAL KILLING TOOLS? I drive a car... doesn't mean I should have access to a nitro burning funny car to drive around my neighborhood. Sounds like you may just have to satisfy your fetish by googling images of what the pros use.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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This eutopian dream on no guns...
Yo Ron, the needle is stuck on that sad old song again... the one nobody else can here... the one that keeps repeating "no guns." You should do something about that, it is starting to get old.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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Man tries to commit cop-a-cide on us 395,,,115 rounds later, he was hit three times. I havent shot that bad since i was eight.
The cop missed 112 times? When was the last time you were shot at Ron? I mean in REAL life, not some kids doing donuts in your parking lot that MIGHT have shot at you if you hadn't run them off. When is the last time you were in a shoot out?
And wes, Connecticut wants to introduce the barney fife bill.. ONLY single shot guns of any type.
Explain how that relates to "NO GUNS."
Much like all the pot heads of america,, gun owners will not be bullied into anything either.
Wow. Just wow. Wow.
I know several hunters this year that went numerous times and were un successful in shooting a deer.
Really? That sucks. I saw 5 drunk Mexicans who got 2 in the same day over near Wright's Lake... and they barely even spoke English.
The Federal Government administers safety standards/regulations for food, cars, drugs, and other consumer goods. Why not guns?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
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And i see you dont like analogies where they hit home. oopsy...
In as much as i have NO RIGHT to tell another to use or not to use MJ, you have NO RIGHT to tell me what weapons i may own.
WTF are you rambling about? MJ isn't engineered to KILL. And pot heads are not screaming until their red in the face about the feds taking their pot... or starting a bloody civil war if anyone tries to take it away from them.
edit: Wes,, aint you cool to watch poaching and do nothing about it...pussy..
Oh, right, they were Mexican... so they MUST have been poaching... I see now... how could I have been so dumb!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
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We are in no way going to take guns away from Americans.
The next gun nut who says we are planning to take them away should get kicked in the nut sack.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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In as much as i have NO RIGHT to tell another to use or not to use MJ, you have NO RIGHT to tell me what weapons i may own. AND that is a contitutional law "shall not be infringed upon"...
No, WesChrist does not personally have the right to tell YOU what weapons to own.
BUT, the Federal government and the State government DO have that right.
For example, citizens can NOT own certain chemical weapons, nukes, military grenades, SCUDS, and all kinds of other "weapons" on lists not approved for civilian usage.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
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they... they... they... they....
The hallmark of a racist.
Who the fuk cares what eastside or hedge or you or any other individual wants? At least they are not threatening a bloody civil war if they don't get their way... or flat out refusing to hear ANY other options. Do you know what it means to be part of a society?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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Who's "threatening a bloody civil war", Wes?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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they... they... they... they... they...
I've had 2 speeding tickets in 25+ years. How is that relevant to anything?
Civil War:
Senate Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, D-Des Moines, remarked, “Anytime you talk about guns or gun control….it is the ultimate dog whistle issue for the base of the left and the right. It is hard to have a calm conversation when the issue of guns comes up. I am getting emails calling for civil war” from pro-gun activists, as well as strong voices critical of guns on the other side, he said. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130109/NEWS/130109028/1007/news05
I find the contrast amusing... calls for civil war from one side and "strong voices critical of guns" from the other.
They also said they would do everything they could to stop gun control and gun confiscation…. If the federal government wants to start a new Civil War, all they need to do is go ahead with gun confiscation.” http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14171-obama-executive-orders-on-guns-would-spark-mass-resistance
...and of course Alex Jones and James Yeager and all their fans.
As if they almost desire such a tragedy. They have even said so.
You are a despicable lying sack of sh#t for putting those words in my mouth.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
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You are a clueless fukhead. Only in a world where gun fetishes trump measures to ensure responsible gun ownership could THAT be taken to mean I desire civil war. I said they are NOT... NOT screaming about civil war... NOT Rong. For fuk sakes you idiot!
You are an ignorant fukhead. I used to think you were playing, that nobody could be THAT stupid, that there must be some redeeming quality in you. But I was wrong. You are a delusion idiot.
Meanwhile, the gun nut side...
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