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Wild Bill

climber

Feb 22, 2007 - 01:51pm PT

Dear L and nita:

I'll say it again: it's nice of you both to stick up for Crowley. You both profess to know him in real life (which ST is becoming less (more?) like every day).

But here's the thing: Matthew Moore, as A. Crowley calls himself, has not revealed to any of us ST people any of his good qualities. You apparently are privy to them. We are not. All we see from Crowley is hateful drivel.

Now, no one said Crowley, or Matthew Moore, was a dog hater. As gw, he said nasty things to be provocative, which is standard Crowley crap. Being a provocateur is what he's all about, and as such he can easily put on a "dog hater" hat and post nasty stuff on an otherwise sympathetic thread. Which pretty much amounts to being a troll, but a particularly nasty one with a superiority complex which has convinced him that ANYTHING he has to say is worthy, relevant and right. And he does it all from his mom's basement!

As LEB pointed out, the only sensible thing Crowley ever posted was copied from someone else - some attorney's advice on how to protect your identity. (LEB, read closer - Crowley is not saying he is an attorney in that post. Maybe there's another in which he does? I actually don't read much of what he writes).

So you can demonize me if you want. But I only deserve a sliver of it. You see, I am out to rid ST of Crowley and there may be some collateral damage.

Carry on.

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Feb 22, 2007 - 01:54pm PT

Pagan,

When climbers aren't posting TRs, we need something else to do with our eyes. You've posted some AWESOME threads, and like most of the interesting people on this site, I like the variety, too.

Russ and Susan post about the Diet Challenge. That's not climbing, but it sure as hell is funny. Dirtineye is in the hospital. Not climbing, but many of us are interested big time. Woody's crotch and Ouch!'s hysterical creations are pretty far removed from a TR, but this site would be damn boring without them.

Don't lose perspective on the many layers of life that we as climbers enjoy...sharing them gives us all more empathy with other posters, and a better understanding of ourselves.

couchmaster

climber

Feb 22, 2007 - 01:56pm PT

Cut from Chris's first post:

"sexual photos are posted "

Uhhh,........ where are those specifically?

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:13pm PT

Sorry Wild Bill--You're letting your animosity blind you. Crowley is about politics, not pooches. He's also about sparring with those who can defend themselves, not innocent bystanders, pets, or handicapped children.

You're on a mission to destroy Crowley. Wonderful. Have fun. You obviously don't have anything else in your life.

But you're the one looking like the real jerk here when you say "You see, I am out to rid ST of Crowley and there may be some collateral damage."

Wild Bill

climber

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:22pm PT

Shhhhhhhhh, not so loud, L.

Crowley's already left, I don't want him to hear you and come back.

BTW, I'm not the moderator here, but if I was I'd have pulled Crowley's plug a long time ago. You and nita are the ONLY posters to EVER say a positive thing about Crowley. Aside from a few who have, in the same breath, asked him to STFU.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:36pm PT

The Fet wrote:
I don't want to split the forum and have to check two places to see if there's topics I'm interested in.

I only care that people accurately label their topics.

Climbing is the common thread that brings us here, but if it was all climbing, it would be pretty boring. Climbing's great, but there's a lot more to life.

It's interesting to click on the recent posts in people's profiles. CMac's posts are about 40% on climbing topics. As are mine. The people who say they want only climbing topics that I've checked are up to 60% climbing.

Ignore the inane posters and topics, you know who they are

I agree Fet.

LEB wrote:
There is a lot of bickering and simplistic posting which does not say much.

I am particularly NOT very impressed with what Crowley is adding to the forum since his recent arrival esp in view of the quantity of his posts. I do believe it is affecting overall character of the forum.

I agree with much of that Lois

WoodyST wrote:
There's an ebb and flow to the forum that's directly related to what is occurring in the wider world. I guarantee it will pick up again as soon as something interesting happens worth a good verbal battle.

Leave the forum as is; it works. Whacking posts showing dead bodies or porn is fine with me. Most people on ST are mature enough to draw a line for themselves as to what is appropriate. A few seem to have difficulty in doing so. Those should be admonished and dumped if they continue to abuse.

Well said Woody

Tahoe Climber wrote:
This is not a campfire

I think that it is a virtual campfire, courtesy of Chris Mac.

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:38pm PT

You and nita are the ONLY posters to EVER say a positive thing about Crowley.

Funny, that isn't true either.

Wild Bill

climber

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:40pm PT

Who else?

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:41pm PT

I can't help but think that most of us are pretty good people.

I may diasgree with Fattrad, but his offers of help and to pick me up at San Francisco International when I was coming home for my mom's funeral were genuine and sincere.

I also hooked up with Wild Bill on the Sunday before I left to come back here to Dublin, and he seems a real nice bloke.

Just two examples, and I am sure we can all provide our own examples of fellow SuperTacos.

Maybe it's just the internet that causes some to be negative, while in the flesh they are more positive.

Whatcha think Supertopians?

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:51pm PT

Patrick, it's not so much a negative thing. It's just easier to have discussions (disagreements) in an internet forum because it keeps things clean. You can't yell, cut somebody off, or physically attack somebody. You just get to to the nitty gritty of the discussion at hand. Ya know?

cintune

climber

Penn's Woods

Feb 22, 2007 - 02:56pm PT

Wild Bill

climber

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:00pm PT

Cintune, that nails it right there.

Crowley, here's nita sticking up for you (not sure why):

"I happen to know who Crowley is, and he is not gw. I used to know his sweet old dog.... Crowley can be an ass,and anstigator,
but he can also be nice. He is also not a trust-funder...he works and he adores his son. "

MZiebell

Social climber

Prescott, AZ

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:02pm PT

Thanks Chris Mac!

handsome B

Gym climber

SL,UT

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:03pm PT

Patrick,
Do you know a Neal McQuaid in Dublin?

Anyway, the forum sucks right now, I hope a lot of you are climbing more than you appear to be. It's fun.

Standing Strong

Trad climber

offices & honkytonks

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:04pm PT

i don't mind non climbing topics when they're not politics and religion. on this forum there is a wonderful diversity of personalities who are knowledgeable on a wide range of topics, and a diversity of perspectives and life experience. that's helpful to many supertalko posters.

more than anything, i appreciate reading the real world wisdom of the older generation that posts here, and that i can ask about things like my truck slipping out of 4wd and get good advice when i don't really know who else to ask. i know there are car forums, but i trust this population the most.

maldaly

Trad climber

Boulder, CO

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:04pm PT

Wow! This is a wild thread and has been wandering around for a couple of years now. I appreciate what Chris' original intent was but I think this forum has evolved into a much more expansive and much greater thing. It'a a gathering ground for the climbing community of a type which the viral marketers would pull their nose hairs out to achieve. ST is a gathering of like minded people discussing what ever it is that's on their minds at the time and needs no external policing whatsoever. I think we do a pretty damn good job of it ourselves. Just like we would at the C4 campfire, we listen for a while then, if (when) someone gets out of line, we tell that person to back off. We argue passionately, pontificate, spew, spray and poke fun at our friends. Once in a while, while we're sitting around that fire swapping stories, some young kid will walk in ask about route beta or which cam we like best. That's fine, and just as in the campfire scene, the kid (sorry Kurt) will hear plenty of wise cracking and catch a lot of sh#t, but eventually one of the "old guard" will pull the kid aside and give him the best route beta possible or download better gear advice than he'll get and any shop on the planet.

We need to cherish, nuture and jealously guard what it is we've built here. If you want a forun that deals specifically with gear or routes or ethics or equalized anchors or ice tool, you can find plenty of active ones at rc.com, neclimbs.com or mountainproject.com. If, on the other hand, you want to join in on a freewheeling conversation about whatever it is that inspires at the moment us or pisses us off or has our curiosity going, welcome to the Taco.

Thanks for putting this together Chris.

Mal

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:12pm PT

Maldaly, very well said and a damn good analogy using the campfire. Couldn't have said it better. Cheers!

paganmonkeyboy

Trad climber

the blighted lands of hatu

Feb 22, 2007 - 03:18pm PT

what are you doing with that rock handsome ? please explain ;-)

i tell ya, sometimes its like going to a fight and seeing a hockey game break out...

edit to add

"but i trust this population the most."

yeah - sorta the closest thing to a peer group i've found, so i value the opinions and input of many that are here...my 2 yen...