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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2009 - 01:12pm PT
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Here's another poem that might answer some of the questions posed above...
INDEPENDENCE DAY FOR NATIVE AMERICANS
by Robin Carneen
When the lands are given back to us, and we don't have to do fund raisers or occupations to get them back ;
When the buffalo are not hazed and killed by government agencies;
When rocks are not sold as souvenirs on Alcatraz ;
When Indian names and images are not used as Sports mascots or for commercial selling of products ;
When we can have equal time in our classrooms across the United States to learn and speak our languages so they are not lost forever ;
When we have funding in our schools so our children can learn;
When all tribes can be "recognized" ;
When we can keep our casino monies and take care of our own;
When we all have health care, card carrying or not ;
When we can have statues that also commemorate our own people;
When we can change historical markers to reflect the truth and not glamorize the murders;
When we can see curriculum in our school books and classrooms that are not romanticized or glossed over when it comes to what really happened in and around Indian Country ;
When we don't have to ask permission to hunt and gather for sustenance, ceremony, or for medicinal reasons;
When all Sacred Sites are in place(and protected);
When our ancestors remains or artifacts are uncovered, the corporation or construction companies JUST STOP and find a different place to build;
When DJ's of commercial radio stations stop putting Indian people down;
When we can get our Indian Trust $$$ back out of the US Government's hands;
When we can get adequate and efficient housing for all Reservations & rancherias & there is no waiting list ;
When we can get more of a variety of commodity foods and some fresh food...like eggs, milk, etc ;
When we can all have enough land given back to grow our own foods;
When our reservations are no longer used as toxic and nuclear waste dumps;
When the US Government apologizes and is held to answer for the atrocities and genocidal acts it did against countless Native American people ;
When our President makes a visit to each Rez and realizes what the USA has re-created in Afghanistan, Iraq and countries to come;
When our ceremonies are not sold by those who disrespect the pipe, the sweat lodge, the sundance and the things that help us heal ;
When we can get roads, power, phones, and computers to the Reservations & rancherias that are without these things;
When we have a gym, clinic, wellness center, etc on each and every Reservation;
When we have our own radio station on each Rez;
When we have more kids graduate from High school and college;
When we have adults returning back to school and getting their GED;
When we have less or no Indians in Prison and jail or political prisoners like Leonard Peltier;
When we have more rehab, preferably traditional and native way facilities ;
When we have more prevention programs and activities on the Rez's;
When poverty dissipates and children and adults do not have to go hungry;
When women are not referred to by the name "Squaw" and men "Chief";
When Winona La Duke sits as President in the White House
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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you know what really screwed up the indians?
we gave them amaerican names, so now their children can not get rights to funding because they can not verify with the center for tribology and all that.
"ok, what is your nationality?"
"Apache - the most blood thisrty, ax weilding of all tribes"
"Great! What is your grandmothers name?"
"John Smith"
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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That's patently false.
HDDJ, it was a question, not a statement.
edit:Arguing online is like running in a Republican primary...even if you win you are still retarded.
oh, you're so clever.....
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Bluering with all due respect it is disingenuous for you to complain about not being answered and being called a right winger. If you start from the top of this thread you will see it is you calling folks "Idiots", "Commies" and "Schmucks". What gives?
L's and Werner's responses are well thought out and sensitive. Most others simply do not have the patience.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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hey, speaking of indian, were you thinkin of indian rock today?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Hey philo, schmuck! I started name-calling because they wouldn't answer my honest questions. We can't have a dialogue if it's one-sided.
I already said L and Werner were thoughtful in their replies.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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That would be kinda appropriate, Dr. You goin'?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Blue wrote: Is it because reservations are autonomous in the sense that the fed/state has no jurisdiction, and as a result, no way to commit money? Really, serious question.
Show how little you know.
Look up the stealing BIA which was created by the US government.
Always nice to see how a homophobic white, right wing male see the blight of Native Americans.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Bluering I opt to disagree with you. Your first post was as follows...
bluering
Trad climber
From: Santa Clara, Ca.
bachar, it's sad to see you turn into a commie, anti-AmeriKan.
we are so screwed as a country with this crap and Bachar going Red on us.
And that was well before you asked a single question.
And why call me a schmuck for what I posted? Was I offensive to you?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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you could bring the whole family to indian...
no tick hike in.
who knows, we might even get to watch them take somebody out in the meat wagon like last weekend.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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bluering: Yes, I answered your question. "No."
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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what was the question again?
if it's multiple choice, i got a shot at it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Yeah, good idea, Dr.
Bob, it WAS A F*#KING QUESTION!!!! Not a statement.
Philo, I was f*#king with you in calling you a schmuck. And yeah, seeing John's obvious troll (that I bit into) upset me a bit. Especially because Independance day isn't Colonization day. It's a day to celebrate independance from Brits, not keeping the red man down.
Edit: HDDJ, yeah, now you did. Thank you.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Blue...still shows how little you know...educated yourself then come back...might be a long wait.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Cool Blue. But next time could you bring me some flowers or chocolates and maybe some KY?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Assuming the answer to my reservation autonomy is no, then yeah, that's pretty f*#ked up. We spend tax dollars to educate illegal immigrants, hospital them, and give them social services, but the native inhabitants of this country get less?
That's f*#ked up!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Blue...still shows how little you know...educated yourself then come back...might be a long wait.
This arrogance is what I'm talking about. Why don't you, if you care so much about this, educate me yourself. That way I'd be getting the RIGHT info, right?
Maybe if I educated myself it would just be more right-wing propaganda filled with Injun-hating racism. Dontcha think?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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bluering- What is f*#ked up is that you continually seem to see things only in relation to illegal immigrants. If you want to have a real discussion about the condition of native tribes and government support there is a rich one to be had. You only serve to continue a hostile and inauthentic discussion when you insist on only see things on this bizarre "illegal immigrant" continuum. If illegal immigrants got no services would the lack of services or support for the tribes be ok? If the tribes got lots of service and support would it be ok to educate illegal immigrants? Just drop it already. It makes no sense.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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HDDJ, in Cali we have an estimated 25 billion budget problem that gives between 5 and 12 billion annualy to illegal immigrant care. Seems common sensical to think about cutting that off as part of a fix.
But I'm a racist so WTF do I know about anything....
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Neil Young land
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L, are you telling me that we pay to educate illegal aliens in public schools but have not enough fed/state dollars to educate kids on reservations? And treat the same peeps in emergency rooms yet ignore reservations?
If so, that's f*#ked up!
Is it because reservations are autonomous in the sense that the fed/state has no jurisdiction, and as a result, no way to commit money? Really, serious question.
bluering, I did not say you were stupid. just ignorant of the facts.
also, it seems that you are not aware of government priorities.
of course the government is going to acquiesce(sp) to the illegals. they are a powerful, and growing voting bloc.
Native Americans don't vote in such numbers.
as others have said, I recommend that you visit either the Pine Ridge, or Navajo indian reservations.
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