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divad
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wmass
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Sep 29, 2008 - 08:12pm PT
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Jeez Lois, you could be a politican. Say one thing, do another.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Sep 29, 2008 - 08:13pm PT
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Btw, the Pig, carries the tube, generally speaking. Not carried on the person. Not a Sarah P dig. Climbers know what I mean.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 29, 2008 - 08:30pm PT
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Werner, you are a God. LOL. That is some funny sh#t. hahaha..
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dirtineye
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the south
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Sep 29, 2008 - 08:44pm PT
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NO Lois, it is not agreed upon.
I intend to let you have it both barrels for every stupid thing you say-- so I'll need a LOT of shells.
There can be no standoff with someone who is dead wrong, and you are dead wrong, almost all the time.
What there is with you is endless frustration over your extremely thick skull, your smug attitude, and the totally moronic things you say about politics.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 08:59pm PT
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"Climbers in general are mite bit smarter than the general sheep populations."
On that you are dead wrong Werner. That is, if we can deduce from the postings on this site that they are indicative of the climbing population in general. Some of the posts here by the chicken little, whiney, complaining liberal left hacks(which pretty much encompasses 99+% of the posters here) pretty much blows your theory about the intelligence of climbers out of the water.
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Wonder
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WA
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Sep 29, 2008 - 09:52pm PT
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:18pm PT
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"On that you are dead wrong Werner. That is, if we can deduce from the postings on this site .."
Jody I think its a stretch to say that you've ever "deduced" anything ever.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:18pm PT
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Warbler, what does being "dedicated to climbing" have to do with anything? I love climbing as much as the next person but it hardly rates at the top of my priority list.
I know plenty of climbers fairly well. What's your point?
You say my faith influences my politics. How is that? My faith doesn't have a handbook on political stances I must take. Which political stances that you have seen are specifically influenced by my faith?
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
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Oh hey sweet. Someone got him defensive about his religion. This always ends well.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:21pm PT
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"You all seem to think that ST = the USA. It does not. ST is decidedly LEFT. It is not remotely representative of the USA as a whole."
Lois, I agree with what you said about Supertopo. But Time, Newsweek, many major newspapers... hell, even the National Review and Fox News have run articles very critical of Palin. Together, those are much more represenative of the USA as a whole than ST. But you ignore all of those, and you seem oblivious to any posts that mention those.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:23pm PT
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HDDJ, just shut up, would you? You haven't correctly deduced one of my responses ever. Warbler mentions my religion, I ask some questions regarding his assertion, and you start squawking that I am being defensive. You have no clue what you are talking about, so go find your happy place and stop bothering us with your juvenile crap.
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Wonder
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WA
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:28pm PT
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:37pm PT
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
From: Nowhere
"You all seem to think that ST = the USA. It does not. ST is decidedly LEFT. It is not remotely representative of the USA as a whole."
Lois, I agree with what you said about Supertopo. But Time, Newsweek, many major newspapers... hell, even the National Review and Fox News have run articles very critical of Palin. Together, those are much more represenative of the USA as a whole than ST. But you ignore all of those, and you seem oblivious to any posts that mention those.
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Well, now she can ignore it AGAIN. But that won't bother her much, she has a lot of experience ignoring the obvious.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:39pm PT
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Curt, you can't say that any media outlet is representative of America.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:40pm PT
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Life is short, always climb with people of higher than average intelligence.
Interesting view that Supertopo is a, liberal, enclave; gives new nuance to the term. Have to think about that...
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:41pm PT
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Sarah Palin's Religious Past Under Scrutiny
Airdate: 9/9/2008
"It was so cool growing up in this church and getting saved here," said Governor Sarah Palin, addressing the congregation at the Pentecostal Church where she worshipped for more than two decades. The address took place in June 2008, less than three months before she'd storm into the national spotlight as John McCain's running mate.
"I love you guys and thank you so much for dedicating your life to Jesus Christ."
Now Palin's speech and the teachings of her former pastor are under the microscope as voters consider the religious views of the Vice Presidential nominee.
Palin attended the Wasilla Assembly of God Church from her teenage years until 2002, when she and her family joined another church in Alaska.
The church says they believe Governor Palin to be a woman of integrity and a strong leader, however, as a church, they will not endorse any candidate.
One comment Palin made during her June visit is causing an uproar:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right also for this country. Pray that our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure we're praying for: that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan," Palin said.
"I think if there continue to be more revelations and talking about particular social issues as sort of 'God's plan' or, 'the way God wants it,' I think that makes most people uncomfortable," says Beth Frerking of Politico.
Palin's talk also caused a heated debate on ABC's The View.
"I don't think there's anything wrong, when you're standing in front of a church of people who pray, to ask people to pray for a cause," Elisabeth Hasselback said.
"It's one thing to believe in faith, it's another to say that things that occur – a war, a pipeline – are God's will," said mediator Barbra Walters.
The McCain campaign calls such criticism a "distortion of what she was saying," adding, "She very clearly was saying that she's praying for military men and women to do what's right."
INSIDE EDITION's Megan Alexander spoke to the Reverend Todd Stafford, the associate pastor at the church.
"You feel the media has twisted Governor Palin's relationship with your church?"
"I don’t think very much has been fair to Governor Palin, to this church, or to our pastor," says Stafford.
But the questions about Palin's faith don't end there.
As senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God Church, where congregants sometimes speak in tongues, Ed Kalnins has reportedly preached that critics of President George Bush may go to hell, and has called the war in Iraq a "holy war"
During the 2004 Presidential election, the pastor questioned whether supporters of Democrat John Kerry would be accepted into heaven. The church recently posted an apology for the Kerry remark on its website. Palin had already left the church when all the controversial comments were made.
Of course Barack Obama had his own pastor problem, when his former pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, made fiery comments that ignited a national furor.
Now Palin's religious background is facing the same scrutiny.
A spokesperson for the McCain – Palin campaign said they will not comment on Governor Palin's religion.
AHHH YEP!
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:05pm PT
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Warbler,
"That is, if we can deduce from the postings on this site that they are indicative of the climbing population in general."
Also, my "pro-life" stance has nothing whatsoever to do with my faith.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:28pm PT
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Warbler, plenty of people who do not have a "faith" are pro-life.
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Wonder
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WA
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:49pm PT
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