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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 19, 2013 - 02:50am PT
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WWWS?
It ain't science. It's bullsh#t. Clear?
And it lacks Berkeley totally.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 19, 2013 - 04:21am PT
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I'm with the mouse and others on this one. What's right with Scientology? I was always always under the impression you are known by your fruits. This seems to be true on many levels.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jan 19, 2013 - 04:29am PT
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I was heavily exposed to scientology in 1984; while dredging for Gold in the Klamath Basin.
I can tell you right now it is a scam, from the large amounts of money required to buy the books (discs or web access now more than likely) to the little black box they hook you up to; a holy amp meter of sorts.
I'm surprised Spock wasn't a scientologist, most Vulcans are.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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Scientology is good stuff. Like a long hard climb in Yosemite, challenging, beautiful, and full of magic, also with rough spots and times you wonder what you are doing here but in the end completely satisfying.
30 years ago I cautiously approached the group, tested the water, then dove in. In very short order I was no longer a customer. I am a founding member.
I've met Mr Hubbard, I've read all the books. I've listened to hundreds of hours of recorded lectures. I've done just about every course, I've become skilled with the training. I have been helped greatly by this and I've been able to help others to live better lives through the use of this philosophy.
With Scientology I have been able to get along well with others, enjoy a rich and interesting life, get myself out of troubles, help others out of troubles, make more money and rock climb better.
There you go. Spider is out of the closet.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:14am PT
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and i thought you "liked the christian life". the only thing christian about scientology seems to be in its iconography ... about as "christian" as rosicrucianism.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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Tony, I started that thread to help my Christian friends. Because I know how much is sucks to see your religion get kicked around.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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scientology makes you climb harder!?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:47am PT
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^ Fish On!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
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"scientology makes you climb harder"
No. It doesn't "make" you. It can help you climb a little better depending on how much of it you know and study.
It can help you over come fears. Dianetics is best for the that. It can help cure chronic unwanted sewing machine leg (Elvis syndrome). That is if practice and exercise isn't working.
I dare say that if you study it up well and practice it's philosophical discipline then you might climb a grade or two harder.
It is about life and how you as a being interact with the physical universe. Climbing is interaction with the physical universe in a very pure sense.
When you are climbing at a good hard level and challenging yourself with the determination to succeed, especially on lead or soloing, you can get to a place where the noise of mind just shuts off and you can just "be" and you are in complete control in a place where, strictly speaking, humans do not belong. That state of cause over body and the physical universe is what Scientologists are seeking with both feet on the ground.
Such a state climbers, especially good ones, achieve all the time for moments or even hours. A Scientologist is following a philosophical path trying to get there full time. Very much like the original Buddhist seeking state of Bodhi. It does work to get there through Scientology. But just like a good hard climb you have to work to get there. The more you practice the better you get at it.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
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sarcasm is sooo hard to tell in text. now i remember why i avoid religious/political threads - not worth the effort.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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It's all explained right here. Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to red line the display needle and then take out your check book.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Locker, That Scientology you stumbled into in Boston many decades ago has grown. You are one of the ones who walked away. I am one of the ones who went in curious to find out more.
I am your friend. I am a Scientologist.
You can now say you have a friend who is a Scientologist.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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How do you reconcile the facts of scientology's negative impact on society with your personal positive experiences Spider?
Bruce, I have not read the book you reference but I have read every single book of Scientology. Stacked up they all about the size of an encyclopedia.
Having been deeply involved in The Church of Scientology for over 30 years, I am not aware of any negative impact it has had on society. Quite the opposite.
I am an ordained minister of this church. I have helped build it with my time and money. I have helped guide it and grow it from inside and from out. My grown children work there at high levels of the organization. I have worked at high levels of the organization and I have many friends in all levels of the organization. If you ever had a problem with the group, I could help you get it sorted out.
Critics of Scientology:
1. Just heard some crap about it from an unreliable source and innocently enough believed that false information thinking the source was reliable.
2. Want what Scientology has but had some upset with individuals in the group who failed to help them get what they needed and wanted.
3. Are part of a special interest that is deeply threatened by what Scientology has to offer since it would eliminate the need for their livelihood, eg., tenured professors of psychiatry, drug dealers, psych-drug makers, astrologers, hypnotists, people who want to see you strictly controlled and not running around free having ideas and a good time in life. These are the guys producing the alarming books, web sites and other sources horror stories. Some of them are quite mad.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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Locker, I apologize on behalf of the Church for sending out someone who just wanted your money instead of giving you what ever it was you needed that might help you. We try to hire the best people we can but not all are perfect.
You can get just about every bit of Scientology for free at the public library or on line at www.scientology.org these days.
You just have to know the right Scientologist.
EDIT: Disclaimer - Will not make your dick bigger.
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Relic
Social climber
Vancouver, BC
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Jan 19, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
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How do people fall for this crock o'sh#t?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
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if you want to mount a good argument against something,
the first step is to actually know something about what it is that you are dishing,
i mean you guys would make piss poor attorneys,
like kelly slater, people who did not even know the dude were ripping him,
what's up with that?
no, i am no longer a seismologist for L Ron Hubcap,
members joke about L Ron and the tech all the time,
question authority, that was the attitude along the way,
ask anybody who rips the church what they actually know about it,
the answer will always be the same,
been that way for the last 40 years
never met anybody who knew jack sh#t
but that does not stop them from flappin those lips does it?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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how many of these books have you read?
none?
wow, what a surprise,
http://non.com/books/Hubbard_L_Ron_cc.html
prejudice, racism, bigotry, all the same,
fixed opinions, what are they?
an open mind, what is it?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 19, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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one serious fault with the church is the people who run the missions,
there are good missions and bad missions,
just like there are good catholic churches and bad churches,
i do not know what the missions are like now days,
maybe the people who now run the place really suck,
that is my own lack of knowledge at work,
maybe i lucked out,
maybe it sucks today, if so, i apoligize to whoever had a bad trip with it,
but i had a relly good time and so did everybody else,
Robert Reefer, this black dude that looks like Link in the Mod Squad,
dude made me laugh so hard, never met anybody like that since,
Rev, the ex Buddhist, Phd from UC Davis, knew more about eastern philosphy than anybody, he was a real heavy dude,
i would probably not like it much today, too many straight people f*#king it all up,
so like every group, it is all about the people,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 19, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
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Bullbait
a fantastic drill,
never had so much fun,
but of course nobody knows what the f*#k it is so why try to explain it to close minds anyway?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 19, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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Haven't looked into it but probably no better or worse than the rest. I consider all religions to be science fiction based.
Walking on water, transubstantiation, ascension into heaven, feeding the multitudes, getting your own planet, rising from the dead, virgin birth.....need I go on?
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