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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Here lets try this:
PRISONERS AT GITMO WERE FORCED TO EAT CERTAIN FOODS BY THE GOVERNMENT!
That will get her interested.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Trans fats?
Sushi?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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coz wrote
"Karl,
Our boys are getting pulled apart slowly with power tools in Iraq. Beheadings, women suicide bombers, children blown up in pet stores. Who are you supporting? Are you supporting the insurgents?
Do you think terror is justified?
Just curious?"
I don't think terror is justified, whether it's Islamic fanatics or administration neocons doing it.
I'm more critical when "My side" bombs people without cause because I'm responsible for electing them and giving them feedback. There might be all kinds of evil people in the world but I'm most concerned if it's done by my government in my name.
Peace
karl
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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You COULDN'T care less. If you want to be dismissive say it properly. Also, I accept your apology.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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" Karl, Our boys are getting pulled apart slowly with power tools in Iraq. Beheadings, women suicide bombers, children blown up in pet stores."
Never mind that you are talking about IRAQ and the people locked up in Gitmo are from AFGHANISTAN, that is outrageous. We are mad as hell and need to take out our anger on someone. Why don't we take Coz and put him in an isolation cell. Beat the hell out of him every day, threaten him with dogs, piss on whatever he holds holy, deny him all contact with the outside. Then 5 or 6 years later when we're feeling a better maybe we'll let him go.
How about it Coz? If you don't support this you're supporting the terrorists, so maybe we shouldn't let you go after 5 or 6 years.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"I will officially concede that I was incorrect about McCain and his position on torture."
Gentlemen,
Please note the time and date for the record. This is an historic occasion.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Lois, get a grip.
And even now you are STILL going to vote repugnicant.
Maybe if you ever do read The Dark Side ans see what your party has done you will get some sense and not vote McCain, but I really doubt it.
Your ability to ignore the obvious, nay the CLEARLY PRESENTED FACTS, is overwhelming.
But you are not alone. Plenty of other deluded people will vote for the party that screws all of us except the rich.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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I heard something once about leading a horse to water... hmmm, how did that go?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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”Obama is more photogenic than JFK.”
I have to disagree, Patrick. Obama IS good looking but, in my opinion, JFK was the most photogenic of all presidential candidates. Kennedy’s electability, and his likability and prominence in history have been due in large measure to his looks.
Obama comes off as honest, intelligent, well-intentioned, and friendly. But his photos (and video) don’t suggest the mettle or marked wisdom of, say, Woodrow Wilson or Lincoln’s photos. Though not discretely handsome, their images have a strength of spirit and quiet magnificence that demand contemplation and respect. (My opinion)
Both Obama and McCain, since securing delegate majorities, have displayed flashes of indulgent cockiness. I wonder how that will play out with voters swayed more by “image and aura” than tangible issues.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I'd have to vote crusty the clown over McCain.
He's just too old (my elderly parents are shocked that somebody that age would be considered for president, it counts for something) and too out of touch. (doesn't use email for christsake)
Even if he is a bit of maverik in the past, he'd be bound to staff the gov with the same crowd Bush used.
We have too many pressing problems to be stuck in the same rut we're running in
Peace
Karl
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jennie- McCain's peeps see that cockiness as confidence, they see brashness as leadership. I mean look at Bush for the last 7 years...not a lot of wisdom or thoughtfulness going on there.
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jstan
climber
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During the fury of his day Lincoln was not accorded the respect he receives today. One newspaper editor referred to him as "The original gorilla". He was ridiculed for being tall, his squeaky voice, and his ugliness. The Gettysburgh Address received very little applause. His qualifications for office were widely challenged, but this is the nature of the game. It is widely thought his address at Cooper Union in NYC was critical to his being nominated and elected. Analyses of that address and books written about it are well worth reading. Lincoln exhaustively and personally researched and came up with an answer to Douglas's unsupported ascertion that the fathers of the Consitution supported slavery. The address was tightly reasoned, treated the issue seriously, and was delivered with geat passion and authority. Search for it on the web and read it. Please.
Lincoln's message was that, whatever the challenge, our country must always defend the principles people were fighting for when the country was first created. It is yet the same today.
Our most fundamental rights and privileges are now at risk just as they were in 1776 and in 1860. The faces are different. All the rest is the same.
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jstan
climber
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Warbler says we are interested only in NASCAR and wrestling. If that is true it is because our public school teachers have failed their task miserably.
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jstan
climber
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Lois:
Put aside for the moment that he was a midget and talked too much. And not knowing how it all turned out, would you have voted for Douglas or for Lincoln?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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LEB- We get it you don't like either candidate but you vote Republican down the line every time cause that's who you are.
Jstan- My understanding was that a large part of the reason that the G-Address didn't get much applause was because it was so short. People didn't realize it was actually over.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Lois posted; "If you are an Obama fan, be grateful that at least you have a candidate regarding whom you really are enthusiastic. We, on the other side, are voting for a man (and a rather elderly one at that) who called his wife a c#&% in public and has about as much innovative ideology as my last pet goldfish".
How can you look yourself in the mirror and say you want the man you described to be President?
Oh yeah I remember you believe Obama to be less appealing.
Less appealing than soggy cereal in stale milk?
Less appealing than an old gold fish about to go belly up taking the whole fish bowl with him?
Maybe you should enjoy that blue berry pie and reexamine your realities. In the mean time here is a terrorist fist bump for ya.
And Locker; if you don't vote you are more of the problem than you realize. The enema you requested should start with you exercising your responsibilty to your nation.
Voting is more than a privilage.
Otherwise don't bitch and moan. If you don't care to vote no one cares what you have to say about it.
Warbler posted;
"Wisdom and thoughtfulness are boring to fans of Nascar and wrestling.
A lot of Americans seem to want a loud, belligerent leader that talks in circles".
Painfull and funny and spot on!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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John, I don't know if I am eligible for SS, even though I did work and pay taxes for over 15 years in the US. But I couldn't care less because I am not counting on SS, I'll make it on my own.
Like I posted earlier on this thread, I think that Obama has already won the election and will be the next POTUS, barring any sort of shenanigans on the Republicans part.
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