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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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Philo writes:
Russ why is it that with every post you make I think you are a total a$$ pipe?
start a new thread for your love fest of me ya Eldo Prancer.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 14, 2008 - 07:07pm PT
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my email reply to WI :
you are right, but i wrote it, and i was feeling exactly that way at that moment, so it was nothing if not honest. in that way i do indeed stand behind it.
people that know me will attest that i am not a violent guy.
best,
-matt
mr gillette-
my apologies, especially if you felt truly threatened (of which i would be skeptical).
let's just say i didn't see the humor in your commentary, and i still don't.
despite the way it may sem if you live in a place like reno-
white peoples' sadness is not the only sadness that counts-
unless you use fauxnews as a meter of such things!
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jun 14, 2008 - 07:45pm PT
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Yoooo Russ.....
Having not met the good Doctor B, and there being 6.67 billion people, a modicum beyond by ability to know of them, and perhaps the same for other SuperTopo colleagues, precisely what might cause your comment that you might wisely question to insure its accuracy so that I might benefit from the knowledge you offer?
Doug
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 08:00pm PT
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hahahaha! Welcome good Dr.!
Not sure what you were asking in that last one 'cause I'm kinda dumb and I think you were talking over my head?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 14, 2008 - 08:08pm PT
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Hey Russ thanks for the witless response.
First off, though I currently live in the peoples republic of Boulder, I am NOT an Eldo prancer. I spent most of my time in the Black Canyon. You know that place that makes Yosemite walls seem like pansy fests. I was doing 1st, 2nd & 3rd ascents of serious routes in the Black before most of the current crop of hardmen were pooping green and before most of the rest of other climbers ever dared venture there. I quess that makes me a Black Dancer.
My issue with your posts is that you seem to need to dump a steaming coiler on anyone who disagrees with your apparent America love it or leave it we are always right beliefs.
I was very offended by your crap response to Michelle's well reasoned post. I personally know many military people, friends and family, active and retired. Almost universally, once they get past the Rambo macho fest, they dislike what they are ordered to do. They would rather see diplomacy first and war only as a last resort. But I get the impression you would judge that to be cowardly appeasement.
Lastly I think you make some fine gear.
Carry on.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 08:25pm PT
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witless and disposable... Maybe I'll try harder next time you attack me.
I was very offended by your crap response to Michelle's well reasoned post
I'm not buying her story. Simple. I like the numbers to all be in a row and correct. Hopefully she can provide them. To me it sounded like a giant exaggeration. Now to flip the tables around, if one of the righties on here made a similar claim without solid fact checked numbers they would have boot up their asss within 30 seconds, especially when it is about our troops dying.
As for the steaming dump.... you lefties have the market cornered on that. The most vile posts come from the lefty camp around here. You getting upset with this post is laughable. And yeah yeah, we all know soldiers. I live in 29 Palms remember? They view out here is a little different than the one run up the Taco flagpole day after day.
Thanks for your resume too. Impressive.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 14, 2008 - 09:04pm PT
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Russ I have to admit it bothers me that you and several other STers seem unwilling to accept that some of what our goverment is doing is flat out wrong. Like no bid contracts going to charlatans whose work is so shoddy that American service men are electrocuted getting out of the shower. Does that not outrage you? Many of the actions of our government have caused more death and destruction than all the world's terrorists combined. But in your gung ho attitude you wouldn't believe that would you. And yeah not all our soldiers die. Mostly they are physically maimed, disfigured and crippled or destroyed by untreated PTSD. My dissent is a profound act of patriotism.
If that means I am a liberal leftist in your mind so be it. I prefer to view myself as a radical realist.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 09:46pm PT
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Philo, the world is admittedly an ugly place. If you wish to believe that the American Right is giant part of that evil, so be it. You can view yourself as whatever you wish, be it radical realist, patriot, or informed dissenter. It impacts me none. On a point by point audit, sure I can have outrage at the way some things are done. But I would at least like to know that what I am outraged about is in fact, outrageous, and not some agenda driven hyperbole skewed or invented to generate a predictable response.
Maybe someday your "people" will take the reins and right all the perceived wrongs of America. I for one am not holding my breath.
I think *we* are done here.
Klaus edit: I don't think so... would it matter?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 14, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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What more facts do you need?
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Someplace F*#ked!
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Jun 14, 2008 - 09:56pm PT
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Wow Minerals, you really reeled ‘em in with that one - Good job!!!
It’s amazing how violent the peace-lovers get isn’t it?
Hey, do you still race district?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 14, 2008 - 11:14pm PT
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What a bunch of sh#t by the OP . . .
How many of you chicken hawks have been in the service of any branch for any time?
I have. US Army 2 years (the bare minimum at the time during peace time).
How many of you have talked to veterans of many different wars and heard their personal horror stories from WW2 all the way to the current fiasco in Iraq and Afganistan?
I have. My grandfather WW2 and many other WW2 grandfathers whom I haved talked to at length. I also talked to many Vietnam vets when I was in the service during the Reagan/Bush1 years, and my brother in law currently, who has seen many tours since he has been in the US Army the past 15 years. Generals are amazed at the number of ribbons and metals he has. He is just barely hanging on because it is all he knows. He has never worked in the civilian world. I'm sure he wanted to get out many times, but sees retirement not so far off. I hope he makes it.
Any soldier who sees real combat time will tell you that war sucks and it isn't ever pretty. They want nothing to do with it if they survive it when they get home. And it affects them in so many negative ways for the rest of their lives. Look at how many homeless are vets. And you know that those numbers are getting bigger now, if they don't commit suicide first.
How many of these vets are coming back home if they survive, and re-registering as Democrats because they know the truth now, and want this fiasco to end.
War only benefits the Miltary-Industrial Complex and no one else.
Watch the DVD: "Why We Fight," and get an education.
This was a very stupid OP. Sometimes ST can really, really stink.
You could have posted about minerals and geology but chose to celebrate the hatred for a people who didn't do anything and are having their lives and country destroyed. And like someone already mentioned, the half-life of DU is 4.5 billion years.
See, the MI-Complex will get the oil whether they want us there or not. Perhaps we will have to pump oil wearing hazemat suits and radiation exposure-detectors. But hey, oil is oil right?
The only people who celebrate war and brutality are those who have never been to war. Learn from their misstakes.
Or, go sign up right now and serve. Put-up or shut-up.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Jun 15, 2008 - 12:23am PT
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wow.. someone got unnecissarily offended on my behalf. cool.
Russ, good question. First of all, I am not at basic training. I am referring to combat medics only. I don't have "hard" figures because they don't actually make that available, no matter what you think. My information comes from the people I know here (cadre, officers, retired enlisted) that have all been deployed. The "large" percentage averages around 30. That to me is large. Some say as much as 50. Yes, we all know people that are in the service. Living in a military town doesn't constitute service knowledge, however. Its runner beta at best.
what I like about this place is there is room for all opinions and to get pissed is kinda silly, but even that's funny.
edit: Klimmer - put up or shut up is right. FYI, I signed up to be of support to those that are fighting. I put my money where my mouth is and am contributing. and not just my opinion.
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jun 15, 2008 - 04:33am PT
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In addition to their failure to accurately use words, which results in lifetimes of arguments with no substance beyond the errors of the words, the humans invent their enemies with words they never even think to later question, such as those dirtbag liberals and conservatives.
If the liberals and conservatives oppose each other, why do they always fund each other's wars, while fooling fools with rhetorical thrashings-about?
The liberals and conservatives are both authoritarians, mental midgets demanding that the other guy do as he is told by the idiot liberal/conservative central authority, or be jailed by police or killed by the military.
That the pot smoker is jailed this time and the gun owner jailed the next time anguishes only fools who support that process.
In contrast, the libertarians perceive that adults are sufficiently mature to make their own decisions, and should not be taxed to pay the police to put them in jail if they do not conform their decisions with the intellectually absent authoritarians who sank to government jobs.
So when you blame it all, or any part of it, on your liberal or conservative friends, their government police, prosecutors and judges will eagerly agree, and initiate a punitive government process.
And they still cannot figure it out. High quality entertainment.
Just give us one more war, or another oil spill. I promise I won't piss all the money away on climbing gear this time.
Doug
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Jun 15, 2008 - 10:46am PT
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Hey Riley. Yep, combat medic. Its funny because the official job title is "Health Care Specialist" which is misleading to some people. They actually thought they'd be working in a hospital! Sucks for them. Its titled that way to allow females in the job since we can't have combat jobs. We just finished the EMT training and took the NREMT (I did pass). Just started the army side of the training. Email me if you want more details and to compare notes.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 15, 2008 - 11:04am PT
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Michelle, thanks for your reply, and yes, 30 to 50% is a huge number. For Philos blood pressure, I'll even say it is an OUTRAGE! Hey, I think what you are doing is fantastic, and I'm not trying to get you on the spot or work you over in anyway... that is far from my intent. Be safe and I guess I'll just have to wonder about the numbers... hope you stay on the good side of the percentages.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 15, 2008 - 12:11pm PT
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Right on Michelle good for you.
and thhanks Russ I feel much calmer now.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 15, 2008 - 02:44pm PT
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best of luck to you michelle, keep your head down!
klimmer, nice post man.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 15, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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Awesome Michelle, my good buddy's wife just finished basic and is entering special training as a medic.
Do it!
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Jun 15, 2008 - 09:18pm PT
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Russ, I didn't think you were trying to work me over at all. I'll try to get a better statistic, as I am interested too. Those numbers seem high and half the time I think its a scare tactic and the other half I believe it. I had a 'for real' conversation with one of my Drill Sergeants once and the story was grim. on a lighter note, I'm trying to get stationed at Fort Irwin so maybe I'll be seein' you at JT or RR. (good luck on getting the posting I want, I know)
bluering, do you know what Company your friends wife is in? all medic training is done here. Do you know about when she arrived or will be arriving? Funny thing too about it being a small world. There is a guy Im training with who incidentally is the cousin of someone I climbed with and knew in Arnold, CA. What a trip!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jun 16, 2008 - 12:15am PT
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Michelle
I admire your pluck, and I hope you come home uninjured, and the same for everyone else over there in that godforsaken
pit that shrub put you all into.
Maybe, if we're all lucky, our congress (ha, I should say the congress of big money) will stop funding the war and force everyone to be brought back home.
We never should have been there. Shrub and all the rest of his
ducks should be imprisoned for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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