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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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"As a result, I'm looking here less and less... the idea of putting the work into making a post of value is very unattractive, as it would either be co-opted into some political fight, or drop immediately into obscurity.
I'll be checking in from time to time, my guess is that the site has reached its natural limit where the people most interested in posting are least interested in posting about climbing. Perhaps I'm wrong, and if that's so, I'll be back posting. But right now I can't imagine putting the time in for the current audience.
There are other places which are more climbing-centric, you can probably find my posts there..."
Yeah, the f*#ktard ratio has drastically increased over the last year. RC is worse, because the climbing-related posts themselves are just an endless series of mini-lobotomies. UKC is a better site than most, but it lacks the photo threads.
I don't see much hope, really, for a decent climbing web site. It won't make money. Morons obviously have a higher click-through rate.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
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Good points kik.
Personally, I would favor simple bifurcation, climbing or no.
(But I enjoy sneaking climbing references into OT stuff.)
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kev
climber
CA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:21pm PT
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Ed posts quality material to this site. It would be sad to see him go. I worry that this trend could continue and pretty soon the taco strand would be full of more and more non climbing threads. A couple of years ago I bumped a bunch of climbing threads (after encountering on about 1 in 7th of the threads contained climbing info) only to have a sh#t load people get pissed at me. Some a$$hole even spoofed my account name and bump non climbing threads. It's sad that Chris Mac WON'T find a better solution. Notice I say WON'T not can't.
Sad to say but it's probably a financial issue. Most of us who are really into the taco stand are not readers of a supertopo guide book. Some of us may have started that way but in general we probably don't want to know every gear placement etc, so from a business standpoint we may not matter so much. Not sure if that's true or not but it's certainly plausible. Regardless there is no reason why this stuff cant be segregated. Chris Mac's free speech, blah blah blah arguments are pretty much BS. Bottom line - HOW COULD IT HURT TO FIND SOME WAY TO SPLIT THE CONTENT OR AT LEAST GIVE AN OPTION? From an implementation standpoint it isn't that hard.....But this has been visited before and no action has ever been taken.........
So, perhaps we should start our own site? Any takers? DRC you're gonna be out of work soon and we've talked about this before...
Ok there's my spray!!!!!!
kev
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:26pm PT
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Pretty sad here about what you have said Ed. My life is pretty much chaos and the Taco and all its great people have been life to me for the past year.
I have great family and friends don't get me wrong, but getting to know you Ed, on the Forum and in real life has lent intrinsic value to my day and the things I face. Your threads on climbing, nature, cars and philosophy etc. keep me thinking.
A person needs a kaleidoscope of people in their lives to keep them centered and balanced...imho.
Again imho, politics are hateful, hurtful and divide. No one is going to convince another to "come over". Laws, rules and regulations won't help us or our planet. Only how we take care of one another.
Dr. Hartouni, I sure do wish you will not depart. Some of us need your grace, wisdom, humor, perspective, knowledge and more in our lives for a variety of reasons. :D
lynne
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:29pm PT
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"But I fee llike ed does-- there is TOO MUCH UNRELTED CRAP here. and it's not only unrelated to climbing, it's just STUPIS and WORTHLES selfabsorbed bullshit that NOBODY cares about except to OP. "
Somehow, I'm gonna wager that Ed's thoughts are a little more succinct than that and probably have a lot better grammar.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:36pm PT
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Somewhat on topic, whoever's posting as "t^r" ought to stop doing so - even if few are likely to confuse her/him with t*r, none are likely to be amused. If the fake avatars went away, and there was a little less about politics (mea culpa), religion, poker and such, and more about climbing, SuperTopo would be improved.
And I'd be really sorry if Ed was to spend less time here.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:37pm PT
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kev, I might be interested in that endeavor with you.
DRC prolly has the web-design experience though.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:49pm PT
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I keep hoping that I will get back in shape so that I can post more climbing threads/posts.
In the meantime, there is one troll that gets on my nerves but jut a bit,, and I know from past threads/posts, she gets on other people's nerves. She isn't even a climber, nor has ever been. Apparently she feels that the late Woody was her champion, so that gives her the right to spout her BS. I just wish she would go away. Permanently. She contributes very little at the end of the day, if you look over all of her thousands of posts.
Ha, ha ha, you know who you are.
BTW, I do not lose any sleep over you troll, mainly because you are just crap.
As for me, I will do my best to refrain from posting to non-climbing threads, but I do like the discourse with most of you,
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 08:52pm PT
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Yes, she is on my "ignore" button also. When it gets here. Please hurry.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 19, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
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OMFG you people are some whiney ass bitches sometimes.
A lot of the same people bitching right now start dumb ass threads about stupid stuff also. Big fuking deal, I could care less.
If it's stupid and dumb move on .....
This place ebbs and flows as some others up thread have said.
There's a guy bumping a whole series of threads right now and that doesn't do sh'it either, another stupid thing to do.
I live in a saturated climbing conscious area and for the most part actually avoid most climbers because how narrow minded and boring they are. It's always climbing this and climbing that.
No fuking life, just endless drones talking about some stupid climb. When I get off the rock at the end of the day I'm done being a climber.
Life comes from life .......
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
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I think some of you might have got it wrong, I'm not advocating any change to the STForum, like Werner said, we are much more dimensional than just climbing. I'd like to go out climbing with Werner do that thing AND talk about the comparison of ancient Indian philosophy to modern western scientific thought...
...it used to be that we had a balance, but I find more and more that people just discuss the non-climbing stuff. There are some recent posters who haven't posted on anything else but politics. Maybe they're climbers, or do climbing related things... even LEB posted about climbing at first... some just don't. And their numbers are growing.
Now a lot of you like that, I say good, fine. But we all make personal choices on how to spend our time. Events reported on STForum of late underline the importance of every bit of that time. And for my own personal choice, STForum is less important as the number of acerbic off topic threads grow.
I'm not asking anyone to do anything about it... but really, I'm taking a pass at the campfire and just doing something else. The conversations really don't light my fire.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Mar 19, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
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I've participated in many different forums due to a variety of hobbies, and they all ebb and flow. It seems there is a point where everyone gets along even with the occasional off topic thread, because there is the common bond that brings us together. Then a few loud drunks show up and ruin the party.
I've really enjoyed the taco as I get to read posts by folks I looked up to when I was a kid just getting into climbing. It's especially cool to be hitting middle age, still climbing, and seeing folks decades older then me climbing hard, totally inspirting. Also cool is conversing with those folks.
But, the o/t bs has really put a damper on this place. I think it especially hits hard due to loosing Woody. When you loose someone close to you, it puts everything in perspective. And that perspective is that all this petty bs is absolutely worthless.
The mindless bumping of old threads doesn't seem to help, just jumbles up threads you were trying to follow.
And, some of us are still somewhat snowbound and not quite on the rocks yet. I tried to get on my first rock route at lunch, but a combination of air temp of 20 degrees, and not quite having my head on for a lead roped solo didn't get me past the crux. Too many reasons to go down, especially watching my watch to make sure I didn't miss an after lunch meeting.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 10:21pm PT
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If this is the online campfire, conversation would always head toward politics and other topics. What's wrong with talking politics with your friends?
The beauty of the taco, is you can choose which conversation to join and you can choose which writers to read. There are some people I skip now that I know what they are going to say.
At a real campfire we'd have to listen to the load mouth. Here's there's much more choice.
The Taco, it will do what it's gonna do.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 19, 2009 - 10:26pm PT
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hey nefarious, nice to see youu living up to you sh!tty name. now go fvck yourself.
Try taking 1/8 the drugs I have to take and see if you can even figure out how to turn on your pc. IDIOT.
But to address the ot subject, it's not that OT things are bad, soem are really good threads, even some of LEB's threads are really good.
IT' just that there are TROO MANY NEW POSTS EVERY DAY, many of them totally pointlees and meaningless to anyone but the OP, (not talking about you tr, haha) and so a site that once was small and cozy has become a huge unmanageable mess of threads that makes it really hard to keeep up with the ones yuo are interested in.
HEnce, the IGNORE button, which I have explained over adn over aagin, to no avail, but which would be a near perfect solution, and woudl certainly be better than what is here now.
Oh Werner, god you are so off base. I think you miss the whole point of the thread. briefly, the site owner askes that people make more climbing posts adn fewer OT posts. so I gues according to you he doesn't get it eitherm, and is a whiner for complaining about the way the site is going. Hmmm. OK no recopute and see if you ahve a different comment.
SO to recap:
Fvck you Nefarious.
OT is good in the right amounts, don't kill it.
Demand the Ignore button today, and make the worlds (and ST) a better place for all except the cretins who just have to inflict thier breand of crap on everyone.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 19, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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WBraun wrote:
When I get off the rock at the end of the day I'm done being a climber.
Amen to that!
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 10:44pm PT
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I've learned so much from off topic threads. One time, I asked for medical advice, and within 20 or so posts, I had a real doctor giving me tips. It took a while and half the people called me an idiot but the advice was great.
With out the the taco, I used to see LMAO and think la- mow what the f*#k does that mean. Now I would say wtf does that mean.
Climbing posts do rule, but like Werner says, how much can you really say about it. That route was sweet! I can't wait to do that route!
That doesn't mean I don't straight to the TR for the photos, that's what I do. EC posting on obscue Southern Sierra Routes? Come on?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 19, 2009 - 11:03pm PT
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Look how the complaints roll in when a genuine Sherpa pops up and wants to talk about Everest. Two dozen Cali's leap on him and strangle him within the first 10 minutes. What kind of a welcome did HE get?
WTF are you talking about? Nobody "popped up and wanted to talk about Everest".
The forum was hijacked (as the site owner put it), by a relentless bombardment of SPAM.
Get real...
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Mar 19, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
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Threads that devolve into Forumites talking about, and criticizing one another seem to be just about as popular as the political threads.
Probably more.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Mar 19, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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gezzz, I actually accidentally ran into Nefarious on the top of a rock at J. Tree. Didn't even know who he was. He was helping a gal learn crack climbing and his vibes were nice...so I said howdy. Found out later it was Nefarious and a nice Dude.
Why are some so edgy and negative tonight...? Yikes, be glad yo alive. Or be glad for something. Lynne
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 19, 2009 - 11:28pm PT
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holy shnikes!!!! Lois may have a point.
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