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WBraun
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2007 - 10:10pm PT
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Hey Joe
Whatcha doin with that bolt in yore hand .......
Hey Joe, I said where you goin' with that bolt in yore hand
You're goin down to see that museum climb?
You know someones been messin around down on that climb ....
You know someones been messin around with yore mind ...
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Sep 12, 2007 - 10:18pm PT
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Joe said about me, "I just have to laugh at how totally and demonstrably wrong he was in the 80's about the impact sport climbing was going to have. "
For the record Mr. Hedge, I was against rappel bolting, not sport climbing. I think steep face climbing is great (it is my favorite type of climbing) but I felt well protected steep face climbs could all be established ground up.
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snyd
Sport climber
Lexington, KY
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Sep 12, 2007 - 10:31pm PT
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Even though you guys reject Joe and all that he stands for, we accept his kind here in Kentucky (there is a lot we will tolerate).
Mr. Bachar, please don't be offended by my buddy Joe. He is just bitter that he will never send the B/Y.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Sep 12, 2007 - 10:53pm PT
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John, personally I think Joe is funny.
The reason is...
I imagine Joe climbing three feet away from a bolt and getting nervous about falling. I see his hands sweating, needing to re-clip. I then see him actually breaking down after ten feet of no clipping. I hear him calling with a desperate voice to his belayer; "take, I am about to fall!"
You can then see him reaching for an imaginary hanger, wishing it was there as he slips, screams and he falls ungracefully down...
I think he will be great fun to watch.
Anastasia
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Sep 12, 2007 - 11:05pm PT
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I also consider Joe a friend - we used to solo 5.11's in the Valley together! Then one day he got hooked on this sport climbing stuff.
Joe, come on back - we can still do some cool solos in Clark Canyon and the Gorge. I know you still got it....
Just kidding around - Joe is a cool dude! Cheers bro, jb
Edit:
This is all Werner's fault - he started this damn thread...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 12, 2007 - 11:10pm PT
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Actually Anastasia,
I once watched Joe take the big slider off of 10 Carat's Window Pane Pitch at Suicide; so he is no stranger to runouts.
In his defense I must say his shoes were a bit big and totally blown out.
It's OK Joe,
We still love you even though you like to throw (air) rocks at us from time to time.
And Snyd is there on the right too; agree or disagree, we are for the most part all family here!
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Sep 12, 2007 - 11:30pm PT
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"Laughing..."
I earned creepy marks! That is cool!
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Joking aside, I am a worse climber then you Joe... So I think you will be laughing at me when the chance arrives.
Smiles,
Anastasia
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 12, 2007 - 11:30pm PT
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Wow...personal insults have really taken this thread to a higher level.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2007 - 11:41pm PT
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Just you wait
I should make Kauk post something.
Maybe knott, he's busy drinking fern spring water to keep his mind clear and clean.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Sep 13, 2007 - 12:50am PT
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Bob d' - I agree...let's take it up a few more notches. You go first....then Werner....
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 13, 2007 - 12:58am PT
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John...the sport has evolved. I much rather talk about past, the present and maybe the future without getting into to personal attack.
Joe or anyone else has a right to express his opinions and we also have the right to agree or disagree.
You (JB) have so much to offer from a historical perspective.
Also...the new shoes rock.
Later, Bob
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2007 - 01:04am PT
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So what's gonna happen in the future that hasn't happened before?
Climber grabs a hold and pulls up.
Then gets to the top and goes back down.
Spinning wheels go round and round.
I remember Messener once on the top of the mountain feeling he really summited. he finally was at peace. He didn't need to do anymore.
Then it came again ..... he had to do more.
False summit ......
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BadInfluence
Mountain climber
Dak side
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Sep 13, 2007 - 08:57am PT
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Joe wrote
"Huber had never crack climbed 3 months before he freed the Salathe, and Free Rider often gets done by people with the same background. Hard for even me to believe but true."
yeah i know these trad climbers that are trad only type of folks that came to yosemite and did the the waltz up Free Rider w/ out hang dogging. the also never report what they do unlike the spray from those shiners
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Sep 13, 2007 - 10:59am PT
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WBraun wrote:
I remember Messener once on the top of the mountain feeling he really summated. he finally was at peace. He didn't need to do anymore.
Then it came again ..... he had to do more.
False summit ......
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Is there such a thing as a "false summit?"
When we achieve our summit we have finally perfected that moment and then it is separated from us by time. We must seek it again until death makes time irreverent. In death we unite with our past, present and future selves so our moments become part of forever.
Messener found peace and it waits for him. I think he is just collecting more...
AF
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 13, 2007 - 11:16am PT
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Now Ana,
Don't try to cover yer tracks with mystic schmoozy mumbo jumbo.
You said poopy things about our trad/sport-infidel pal Joe 'n we all saw it.
hahaha.
Back to you Bob D...
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2007 - 11:17am PT
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The 'real summit' is never separated from time.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 13, 2007 - 11:23am PT
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Thread drift alert!
Knock it off you two!
This has been one of the better bolt wars threads in a while.
Lets get back to those lil' bits' of metal and all the arguments about where they go.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 13, 2007 - 11:24am PT
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i really dont understand what joe's issues are.
i think sport climbing is fun. it is safe. it can make you a better climber. but it does have something missing, at least for me.
is joe searching for some validation here? museums are cool.
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