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John Moosie

climber

Jul 16, 2007 - 02:59pm PT

Hey Wes,

So its trite to say thank you? Huh. Which is how Bob started this thread.

"Bob d'Ant, I never dissed anyone's stories. I dissed the air of self-perceived importance that is based on things people did HOW MANY YEARS AGO."

"Wow, old people who climbed on rocks back in the muthafukin day... and now spray embellished accounts of their experiences between meager attempts to rekindle their youthful drive by searching for internet porn.

I feel so honored to be sitting on the other end of this network of tubes connecting us"

When did TIME become a factor in deminishing great acts?

You say,

"If you have good stories, let's hear them. I don't care if they are cool stories from the 1970's or last weekend, as long as they are stories. I promise I won't make fun of them, even if it is a speed ascent of Nutcracker."

How do you reconcile the different statements above? In one you say "old stories" are bogus, and then you say you don't care when the event occures, just tell the stories.

I think you make a stupid statement and then you spent this whole thread trying to defend it. As though you are somehow superior because saying thanks and telling people that you are glad they are here is trite in your world. Ridiculous. You have gone around the bend on this one.

John Moosie

climber

Jul 16, 2007 - 03:07pm PT

Instead, with your superior attitude, you sh#t on others enjoyment. You are a fool. You are correct that people are just people. What raises them up or tears them down are their actions. We celebrate peoples actions. You piss on them.

You reveal yourself to be a little man.

bob d'antonio

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2007 - 03:24pm PT

Wes...you fit in the last sentence of this quote. You are a little man indeed.

Theodore Roosevelt:

The Man In The Arena

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Jul 16, 2007 - 03:30pm PT

I have never got any feeling gratuitousness when reading accounts from the guys in this forum or in their "remember when's" that wrote of the crap others did back in the day. Certainly I would say that "Allez," "bro," beotch," and "the shizz" - words I read and hear way the f*#k too much out of whitebred boys - defines the word 'trite' more accurately.

Wes - I do see that, if your ribbing was all in fun, how it would be funny.... It actually would be. But I'm getting the feeling it isn't. All in fun, that is. I get the sense that maybe you feel your own efforts haven't received the same accolades, or perhaps that they won't receive them as time passes.

I don't, unfortunately, know what you've done. Maybe because I don't know your actual name. Maybe it is one that I would recognize. If so, and you are doing things like the Tommy Caldwells and Jason Kehls of the world, then for sure your name WILL go down in the annals, just like these guys names have done. The past is important, if for no other reason, as to serve as a benchmark as to what's being accomplished today.

Of course, there will always be the ones who's names seem to be only written between the lines in the story. Mari Gingerly comes to mind. That doesn't make her accomplishments any less legendary. But it's more often than not the case that we get to hear stories of stuff from people like her IN threads like the one that caused all this ruckus, where the "headline" ones start off a stream of consciousness, and then those other names will come up.

Fine for you, if you honestly get nothing but a glib satisfaction out of seeing those posts, but I think you might be in the minority. Why ruin it for others who do gain a sense of perspective and belonging through them?

John Moosie

climber

Jul 16, 2007 - 09:02pm PT

You never made fun of their stories. No....you just made fun of those of us who are grateful for those stories and expressed that gratitude. And how did you make fun of us?

""Wow, old people who climbed on rocks back in the muthafukin day... and now spray embellished accounts of their experiences between meager attempts to rekindle their youthful drive by searching for internet porn."

Your words joker. Those things we are grateful for you call spray. Funny how this doesn't match up with these words.

""If you have good stories, let's hear them. I don't care if they are cool stories from the 1970's or last weekend, as long as they are stories. I promise I won't make fun of them, even if it is a speed ascent of Nutcracker."

Grow up Wes, or piss off Mr Superior. Bob was just trying to say thanks and you try to make him out to be a suck up. If you can't see that then you are blind.

nick d

Trad climber

Jul 16, 2007 - 09:36pm PT

I think the quintessential point here Weakwrist, is that you (and your soul brother Rammit) aren't going to be seen as being cool for having a disdainful attitude to everyone else. Thats because you are both quite mean-spirited. Check out Werner's posts over time for a comparison. He is a pretty sarcastic guy, but never is he just flat out mean. I like/dislike people based on how cool I think they are. Just my opinion, but you probably aren't getting any cooler to many of the posters here. Maybe you don't care, but that begs the question, what are you doing here in the first place? No friends/life at all? If its all such a waste, who is the bigger fool? Those sharing comraderie, or some jackass bumming that everyone else is having such a good time?

Michael

bob d'antonio

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2007 - 09:44pm PT

Wes wrote: Show me where I pissed on anyone's actions... other than the act of publicly saying how great people are. Tell me the actions that make these people so great and they may inspire me. Tell me how great they are and how privileged you are to post on the same forum as them (and LEB) and I will laugh in your face... not because I hate you, but because it is a funny concept to me... much like climbing 10 feet of overhanging granite that most of you will never be able to touch, let alone climb, is a funny concept to some of you.

Wes...you have no sense of climbing history and even worse...you don't make sense.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 16, 2007 - 10:20pm PT

Wes,
you started out ragging on me so I made some overtures to see what gives and you betrayed your nature. I moved on. You haven't even succeeded in making yourself worth hating. Once again you overblow your significance.
Seems like my opinion doesn't distinguish me for at least this one time.

To the rest of you,
What do you say we leave Wes to his fun?
There are rocks to climb, food and drink to be savored, and partners to be enjoyed.

John Moosie

climber

Jul 16, 2007 - 10:43pm PT

"To the rest of you,
What do you say we leave Wes to his fun?
There are rocks to climb, food and drink to be savored, and partners to be enjoyed"

Good idea....

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Jul 16, 2007 - 10:47pm PT

Speaking of Living History....I haven't heard a peep out of those SushiFesters....

Am I totally clueles, and missing some obvious thread? Or are they all still incommunicado?

philo

Trad climber

boulder, co.

Jul 17, 2007 - 10:09am PT

Bob D started a really nice thread to acknowledge and appreciate the many fantastic (old) dudes on the Taco Stand. That was cool. Then Wessie has to jump up and poop on the parade. Several posters politely asked him to chill but he kept bashing away. So then a few folks decided to blog him a new one and here we are. you are getting your Melba toast all soggy with tears dude. Lighten up for Wes-christ's sake. It is the net after all. You have to expect that if some one lays a turd that others are going to say "that stinks". You youth with no appreciation for the heritage of our sport are just clapping with one hand. If Wessie didn't like Bob's post he could of just STFU! Instead he went into attack mode. Now like second hand smoke you are wafting around as well.

Lets see if in 20 or 30 years Wessie's accomplishments stand the test of time like those by the oldsters he seems to delight in denigrating. I know, I know that is a big word with lots of sylables. Get a dictionary or is that too "old school" for you young hotties?

bob d'antonio

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2007 - 10:43am PT

Wes wrote:Just admit you got a chuckle, as was the intention. The rest of you, admit you would have gotten a chuckle if you weren't wound so f*#king tight.

Did you ever think that maybe people on this thread don't find you funny...at all?

Wes...you are a hardheaded one. This thread was about respect and a warm felt thanks...not about hero-worship.

Pretty simple ...dude!

Your accomplishment in climbing is being BVB spotter and spokeman...on the web is a pretty bad third rate troll. Keep up the good work.

Bob d'ANT

Wonder

climber

Jul 17, 2007 - 12:31pm PT

I'll tell you what, your tights are really damn funny!!!!!!

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 17, 2007 - 01:38pm PT

Wow thats pretty sad if I sent you more emails than anyone. How long ago did I quit? I can't even remember.
You poor kid.
Maybe you should don your tights and go out and mix...
(although I'd watch my 6 if I wore THOSE)

but henceforth I'll follow my own advice

Off White

climber

Tenino, WA

Jul 17, 2007 - 02:24pm PT

If a little sincerity is so offensive to you Wes, go back home to b.com. Pity, this thread started out so sweetly.

Wild Bill

climber

Jul 17, 2007 - 05:04pm PT

Easy, Wes.

Why don't YOU walk away.

And making fun of Bob's lycra? That's just plain mean. He couldn't help it - it was the 80's! When you were still in grade school, I'm guessing.