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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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May 16, 2019 - 06:29am PT
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Agreed. But the enlisted men who died with him under his irresponsible orders, deserved better as did the brave Sioux defending their homeland.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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May 16, 2019 - 11:14am PT
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No doubt, the owners/operators of this forum are weary, and apparently, besieged legally: understood.
The forum has been waning for some time, its demise is imminent, and I won't mind moving on to other things.
But, leaving the archiving of this incredibly valuable asset to a piecemeal and uncoordinated effort by those who care to preserve tiny slices of it is absolutely ridiculous.
CMAC: find a way to preserve this thing, not as a live forum, but as a searchable archive. Please handoff all of this material to someone who knows how to preserve it and make it available for readers, writers, and historians. Find a way to get around any legal exposure associated with that goal. Do it with all of the photographs intact, and not just those of the trip reports, if at all possible. Do the right thing here, please.
Best regards,
Roy McClenahan
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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May 16, 2019 - 11:20am PT
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Roy’s last sentence says it ALL! You absolutely have my full permission to salvage everything I’ve ever put up here, written and photo. This forum evolved into climbing history, it would be irresponsible not to preserve the material.
Peace
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
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May 16, 2019 - 12:46pm PT
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Roy’s last sentence says it ALL!
While agree the aggregate history needs to be saved, it is through this forum that I have met many people. This forum is a conduit. If it goes away, what will replace the connectivity? Facebook does not replace this campfire.
Whatever will happen will happen, just seems a shame.
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Hungry
Trad climber
the new world
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May 16, 2019 - 04:06pm PT
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JLP: please edit/remove your pejorative use of “gay”, spelled as “ghey” in your previous post on May 14 in this thread. Using “gay” as a derogatory term is a way of saying that homosexuals are not welcome participants in the conversation and/or that they are not legitimate members of the group. There has always been too much casual homophobia on Supertopo. There were some ugly homophobic threads a few years back. Spelling it “ghey” rather than “gay” evinces comprehension of the inappropriateness of its use in that context along with a deliberate disregard for any harm such use might cause.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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May 16, 2019 - 04:19pm PT
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Tarbuster, agree about the archives, but snippets are better than absolute Nada. I don't think, really, the forum is waning just changing, evolving.
johntp, maybe a stopgap measure but it might work until something else happens. How about we create an ST Group on FB. At least all of us could keep in touch that way.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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May 16, 2019 - 04:19pm PT
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my support and admiration to Roy McClenahan [Tarbuster] proposal of how to save valuable ashes of ST. instead of spreading them all over individual accounts, let's keep them in one searchable place, - reading only .
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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May 16, 2019 - 06:10pm PT
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How about we create an ST Group on FB. At least all of us could keep in touch that way.
It would work, but I like this format a lot better. On facebook it would be competing with all kinds of other things including ads, etc. I think the volume of posts would be just about right. On FB a new post would appear in your newsfeed, and you get notices when someone comments on one that you've commented on. I dont know the numbers but maybe there are 4-5 new threads started here every day? A lot of them are jokes and I doubt people would do this on FB, so that might clean it up a little.
Also, facebook owns the rights to the photos you post, and I am pretty confident that they consider them valuable "content" so you don't have to worry about being purged. I am not sure what FB does if people post copyrighted info. I think half my newsfeed is that.
I follow the Karakoram Club, which has about 150,000 followers but is manageable. They have strict rules about what gets posted, basically photos of the Karakoram and nothing else. There are some really great photographers and others are just people who went there on vacation. A picture might have 500 likes and 50 comments, but you only see it once unless you make the mistake of commenting on it, lol.
Another FB group that I no longer follow but was really good was Colorado Ice Conditions. I am not sure what their rules are for posting things, but don't remember any posts that were completely off topic.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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May 16, 2019 - 06:42pm PT
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This forum can survive,Chris you have created a great thing and you can do it again.
Folks here are willing to fund this.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 16, 2019 - 07:05pm PT
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I'm with Hungry, we are a fairly macho group here. We are also, I like to believe, a cut above the pack in regards to education and life experiences. We can surely express our manliness in ways that don't reflect negatively on different genders or sexual orientations.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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May 16, 2019 - 07:25pm PT
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I am an IT Admin by trade and I am interested in hosting or taking over SuperTopo. I have a potential host location and worst case could probably host out of my own home. I do not currently own hardware but I know what hardware to buy. Not sure if Chris is interested in a hand-off or sale.
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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May 16, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
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^^^^ Why don't you write and ask him on the Feedback icon below.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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May 16, 2019 - 07:48pm PT
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Don Paul, FaceBook could never replace the Taco. I only meant that if this place disappears we could at least contact people from SuperTopo on a Facebook Group site.
Just trying to come up with a bridge if the worst case happens. I know many of us would like to continue to connect.
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2019 - 08:12pm PT
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Ha ha ha ha
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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May 16, 2019 - 09:15pm PT
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No way. Host from home and “I know what hardware” = no clue. Some low level tech IT nerd would kill this place in short order, as is part of what happened with RC.com. The right guy needs also to be a hardass that earns and commands respect for their inevitable roll as moderator and full time job as party host.
Jesus JLP, you're not only bitter, nasty and negative, you also frequently prove yourself utterly clueless.
At least you're bold and confident in your cluelessness.
You haven't got idea one who mynameismud really is, what he's capable of, or what he's done. And yet you prattle confidently on....
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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May 16, 2019 - 09:31pm PT
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^^^
Yes, I noticed. He showed integrity in doing that.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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May 16, 2019 - 09:35pm PT
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I’m still trying to figure out how a very low-profile site like this could end up in an existential legal proceeding. I mean, how many people post here or are registered? It’s nothing. Who would spend the money to sue a site which is made up of a bunch of rock climbers? It just doesn’t add up.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 17, 2019 - 12:41am PT
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hey there say, ... leila beine ... just saw this...
i have shared your beautiful journey with so many, after you shared it here...
it has helped so many folks!
so much 'life to touch other lives' all here from the taco...
will be sad, yes, for it to 'stop flowing through the streams of supertopo'
:(
phylp's museum shares, too... i just read her note...
the appreciations, that johntp mentioned...
the simple little things:
like cats, dogs, flowers, clouds (of blitzo) and
so many things...
the list is just so long...
thank you ALL again, for just being here...
(these, along with the trips and history, are, 'living history' as well,
and make folks smile, after the work of the day, is done...
edit-- or, in the middle of a good, day... a place to stop by and
see how friends are doing--as to various topics, for each way of
life, within the climber-world) ...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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May 17, 2019 - 06:35am PT
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^^^
Yeah, this thread is a good example.
But it was almost completely just speculation/conjecture on the part of forum members.
CMAC never addressed any of it, except in private, and even that was cursory if not cryptic:
Rick A wrote in the linked thread:
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 09:31am PT
I took Werner’s advice and called Chris. We didn’t speak directly, but exchanged voice mails. He said he did not know why the thread was deleted. Apparently he wasn’t even aware of the issue!
So, apologies to Chris for saying that his silence indicated arrogance on his part. Apparently, he has better things to do (climbing?) than follow the discussions on his forum.
Still, there remains the mystery of who deleted the thread and why. I hope Chris can clarify how it came about.
 There was never any clarification, from what I can see. Duck, cover, avoid, ignore.
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