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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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Apr 15, 2019 - 06:19pm PT
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Bulgemelon…..NOOOOOOOOO...…..
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DonC
climber
Bishop and Redlands
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
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I do some photography work, have a web site, and occasionally get a demand letter from Getty Images to take down one of my images because it is copyrighted by them or one of their clients, or be subject to various actions.
They have image algorithms that search the web for images similar to those that they hold a copyright to, then have ambulance chasers (sorry to real emergency responders for use of term) that go after you with virtually no real research. It can be a hassle to untangle one of these.
I wonder if Chris has something similar now that compares images posted on SuperTopo to other copyrighted images.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:45pm PT
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The chances of winning money in a suit against the site are less than zero. Nil. There’s just no fuking way.
In Chris’s position, I would have told the accuser to go pound sand. Been there, been threatened with served court filings and letters designed to do nothing other than bully and threaten me - done just that.
Let them send their letters and legal filings and let them spend the time and money they’ll never get back to stroke their own egos. I would be fine “pro se” even with the threat of a trial on this one. There’s just no money to be recovered here.
Worst worst nuclear it would never actually happen case - I assume he’s insured to some degree, this would cover defense.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:47pm PT
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Sponsors pay for this site...plain and simple. If Supertopo is under any pressure to make changes....so be it.
Yes... and no.
Sponsors only pay if something comes back to them in return. In the case of websites like this one, that something is either site visits or clicks. Drive enough of the campfire clowns away, and sponsors will leave, too.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
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Well, sailinganarchy.com is a pretty good counterexample for all the clutching purses and palpitations from the owners of this site. I've saved the threads of interest to me. Maybe I'll write a book, modeled on the Great Sierra Drug Crash.
Really sort of soul destroying that trip reports are being deleted. There is so much on this site that has evolved over the years; it will be sad to see it go. Some of the threads are 12,000 or more posts long; is that all going to be trashed? The posts and the directions threads have gone are wonderful and represent an almost oral history. I hope it doesn't all vanish.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:30pm PT
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and yet, it bulged...
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DonC
climber
Bishop and Redlands
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Apr 15, 2019 - 09:06pm PT
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and then there are model releases...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 09:38pm PT
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Ok
So I did not upload this second dawg photo below, Sloaper did
It is credited to sloaper
[photoid=nnnnnn]
As far as I can tell I have not violated the ST TERMS by posting it here
I did not ask his permission
He can ask me to take it down
Edit:
He appears to not want it posted by me
"I did not give zBrown permission"
So I have now taken it down
Now, what about this?
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=851972&msg=3177599#msg3177599
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 09:43pm PT
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Funny
I saw that recently
I can not remember what caused it to pop
Bulgemelon?
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 10:19pm PT
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Lovegasoline! I just saw that Goya in person!
Not my favorite.
I post a lot of photos that I take of artwork that I see in museums. A few museums and a few exhibits don’t allow you to take photos but most do.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 10:21pm PT
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Sloaper
Didn't you see the smiley face, Zbrown?
I was being facetious
I did not notice the smiley until the second part.
But your comment worked perfectly in the scenario to show how objections can be handled and how messy the ST system is.
:)
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 11:14pm PT
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I looked at my photo's and they were almost all birds and landscapes.
It is a shame that super topo has come to this.
I have had some conversations with many great people who have answered
my questions and shared story's here. Including Royal Robbins and Don Luria
And Pat Ament John Long , Tom Higgins, Boodawg and and many others
Pictures are always worth a thousand words. I admit I started the "Iconic Photo " thread many years ago where many iconic pictures were posted. I suppose I will be banned.
Was really stoked in 06 when I found this place. Met lots of people online and got to know them like friends through the years.
All those post's deleted.. what a shame.
Is the bird thread next?
Where are Limping Crab and Vitaly trip reports? Where they might have posted each others photo's.. I hope the super topo staff do not destroy the good stuff to get rid of the bad stuff.
So much history has been recorded here.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 11:21pm PT
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John, ^ that!
and the melon...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:23am PT
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I hope it's not dead. It would be a shame to lose threads like DonC's history of Big Rock.
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A Essex
climber
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:24am PT
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'trust' is a funny word
trusting the Supertaco with images has proved riskier than bitcoin
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:29am PT
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It would be nice to see the forum managed better. The hands-off thing doesn't work, nor does knee-jerk deleting of content.
I guess it depends who buys it.
As a guidebook publisher, all his material seems outdated. Most books are pre 2010, some much older.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:36am PT
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The better thing to have done would have been to give it away to someone with a sense and respect for our history. Someone among us has the deeper pockets to just pay the monthly site fees and keep alive all that is being deleted.
How about charging users a monthly fee? Just enough to keep the site up, and running?
Admittedly, I don't climb anymore, but I came here for the political discussions, trip reports, and to give feedback on some topics.
There have been off topic discussions(remember Chris' solar panel thread?)
for at least ten years or so.
For those that say a climbing site should only be about climbing,
well, there's this:
"I don't want to write about climbing; I don't want talk about it; I don't want to photograph it; I don't want to think about it; all I want to do is do it." — Chuck Pratt.
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:48am PT
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I’m not taking the time to do sh#t. This site has more than thoroughly violated its trust to the community of climbers it depends on by recklessly and incompetently erasing thousands and thousands of posts that encapsulated rich beta and first-person climbing history we may never get back. Delete away, chumps.
Captures my sentiments.
if you didn't make the photograph don't post it, doesn't belong to you no matter what the Law says, it's really simple, it's called common courtesy and being honest.ive had people on this forum scan photographs from my books and post them here, class acts, I don't care whether you give proper credit or not if you don't own it look at it don't steal it. . .df
That seems a bit different, actively scanning intellectual property and posting it without consent. It seems the fair use standard allows exactly what has been taking place here and at most any other interactive website/forum.
I think this action is way misguided. How does anyone post photos on the internet with the expectation that they won't be shared or re-used? I certainly don't.
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