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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:43am PT
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That’s why we have politicians, right?
Fakt: Growth periods are getting longer and contractions are getting shorter, which doesn’t make them more palatable but slightly more bearable.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:49am PT
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Dow drops 400 points on global growth worries.
We'll have much less than 3% growth for the 2019 year.
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John M
climber
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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well.. I believe that we need politicians, its just that right now we/they seem to be especially insane.
At some point I hope that we can get to the point where we stop baiting each other and try to understand the benefits and psychological background of both the left and the right. I like what Jordan Peterson says about the psychological background of each party. He says the right represents order and the left represents chaos. Chaos being in the sense of how new things get done. This represents a kind of yin and yang. We need both to balance each other out. Without order, then nothing gets done. but without chaos, then things stagnate and become repressive. Life is best lived with a balance of the two.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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You wonder if Donald regrets his decision to run for president.
I'm reminded of that line I originally assimilated from Absence of Malice, c1985... sometimes we inadvertently get caught up in things.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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As a leader, though...as a person...there is a large number of Republicans who would greatly prefer a different man in the WH. It's fair to appreciate some of the actions that have occurred under Trump's administration, but any good Christian (or human) who stands behind this man as a leader only exposes their own deep hypocrisy and delusion.
I've gotta say that I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with you on ANY politard thread, but I agree 100% with this assessment. I'm not even a Republican, but I agree with some/many of Trump's policy directions. But the MAN is a despicable snake-sh|t-stain on the month-old boxer shorts of the universe! Even die-hard Repubs gotta own that fact.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:56am PT
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"Even die-hard Repubs gotta own that fact."
Don't hold your breath. See the article above re: cognitive dissonance.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 14, 2018 - 10:02am PT
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^^^ Yeah, the tragedy of partisanship is fully upon us.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 14, 2018 - 10:48am PT
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The Clinton Foundation operated as a foreign agent ‘early in its life’ and ‘throughout it’s existence’ and did not operate as a 501c3 charitable foundation as required by its and is not entitled to its status as a nonprofit, alleged two highly qualified forensic investigators, accompanied by three other investigators, said in explosive testimony Thursday to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
Hmm
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 14, 2018 - 11:00am PT
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I want some of whatever Klimmer is having.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Dec 14, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
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I want some of whatever Klimmer is having. You might wanna think that through
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 14, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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soybeans farmers in my family say: "WTF donnie? NoDak sucks, but your policies blow even more elephant phallus than a northbound wind in S'Africa."
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 14, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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jstan
climber
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Dec 14, 2018 - 01:20pm PT
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200 billion times 12 months comes to 2.4 trillion debt per year. Twice the prior experience. The new tax
law appears to offer 1.2 trillion a year primarily to very high income persons.
Another matter associated with Butina's guilty plea today. However she winds up in prison we, and she,
have to deal with the probability Putin's reach extends into our prison systems. On the face of this I
assume she has to have been offered US citizenship, no matter the wording of paragraph 12 in the plea
agreement, and inclusion in a witness protection program. Putin is not going to allow a loose cannon to
exist. Indeed she may never even get the first chance to cooperate.
I think it arguable the welfare of the US depends upon the Republican Party, as we know it, reaching
the end for which it so evidently desires. If so, Trump will prove to have been a godsend.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 02:11pm PT
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Truth is not truth --- Rudy "Fooliani" Giuliani
Crimes are not crimes --- Donald "The Don" Trump
Trump is adopting a variation of Vincenzo "The Chin" Gigante's Crazy Old Man act in a ludicrous attempt to avoid prosecution for Federal crimes.
Gigante would wander the streets of NYC in a bathrobe, muttering to parking meters, pretending to be senile, and ostensibly "proving" he was incapable of being the murderous leader of the Genovese mafia crime family. Gigante was eventually convicted of being the murderous leader of the Genovese mafia crime family, and admitted that his "insanity" had been an elaborate ruse.
This is Trump's adaptation of Gigante's ruse:
Trump commits numerous crimes, including felonies, out in the open for everyone to see.
The tacit premise is that only a crazy person would commit serious crimes out in the open, for everyone to see.
Trump declares oneself to be "a very stable genius", implying that Trump must not be crazy.
The (false) logical conclusion is that Trump's illegal actions must not have been illegal - Trump's crimes were not crimes.
“If you’re going to obstruct justice, you do it quietly and secretly, not in public.”
Rudy "Fooliani" Giuliani, to the New York Times.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/mueller-focuses-trump-tweets-giuliani-addresses-obstruction
Trump is also arguing that because he did not commit a certain, specific crime, he is not guilty of the other, different crimes he did commit.
A man is arrested for tunneling into a bank vault. He goes on Twitter and writes, "Robbing a bank with a gun is illegal. I didn't rob a bank with a gun. Therefore, I didn't do anything illegal."
A mob boss orders his consigliere to secretly pay off his mistress as part of his ongoing Federal election campaign fraud. He goes on Twitter and writes, "John Edwards illegally used campaign funds to pay off his mistress. I didn't use campaign funds to pay off my mistress. Therefore, I didn't do anything illegal."
The GOP's Farm Bill includes subsidies for farmers, especially those adversely affected by Trump's trade wars. Soybean farmers, in particular, have been hurt by China's decision to buy their soybeans from (where else?) Russia.
Part of the subsidy plan is to give taxpayer money to nieces, nephews and cousins of farmers, ostensibly because "family farms" often involve people who are related to each other.
The GOP farm subsidy plan does not require the nieces, nephews and cousins to be at a farm, or work on a farm, or be involved in a farm's operation, or even to be aware of the existence of a farm. The GOP says that giving taxpayer money to people who are related to farmers will encourage those non-farmers to abandon their city lives, return to ancestral rural lands, and perform the menial field work that is currently being done by undocumented immigrants.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/farm-bill-socialism-subsidies/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-farm-bill-details-20181211-story.html
The Environmental Working Group, which tracks federal farm subsidies, has criticized this provision as wasteful giveaways to those who don't contribute significant labor to farms. Congressional Republicans have defended the expansion as helping encourage more people to be involved in farming.
The false logic here is truly Trumpwellian:
If taxpayer money, in the form of "farmer subsidies", is given out to people not involved in farming, those people will be inexorably drawn to seek employment as farmers.
This false logic follows naturally from that used in the notoriously flawed Trickle Down Theory: give rich people more money, and they will voluntarily give it away to poor people.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 14, 2018 - 02:17pm PT
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Add Rocky and Bullwinkle to the list of those to decline the position of White House Chief of Staff..
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 14, 2018 - 03:09pm PT
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^^ The word on the street is that the job is going to Boris Badanov.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 14, 2018 - 03:16pm PT
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^^^
Natasha will be thrilled.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 14, 2018 - 03:36pm PT
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good one monolith!
Live from the West Slope:
Is the White House now a Superfund site?
When the current temporary U.S. president placed coal industry lobbyist Andrew R. Wheeler at the helm of the Environmental Protection Administration (EPA), he was assured the agency charged with the welfare of our nation's environment would get in step with the "Pave, Pollute, and Profiteer" mission of an administration from sub-hell.
But neither the president nor Mr. Carbon Dioxide, Andrew Wheeler could have foreseen the actions of one of the dozen or so EPA staff left standing in December, 2018.
TaTania Roosevelt, a GS-1 ($9/hour) environmental technician based out of Bee Eff, Idaho, has been working overtime on her own dime. She found that the current White House, due to "systemic toxins, life-threatening orange, viscid fluid smelling of bitter resentment and Big Macs that have turned, with an aura of death," should within 30 days be declared a Superfund site.
Prior to her apprehension by a specially untrained team of black-shirted Homeland Security thugs, the government servant was able to get her research into the hands of like-minded patriots who are employed at Rocky Mountain National Park. And thence into the hands of the Washington Post and New York Times.
EPA head, Andrew CO-2 Wheeler, could not be reached for comment, as he is spending sixty four days at a coal industry retreat held on "Members Only Island Resort" in the Barbados. So Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House Sanitizer, explained "to be perfectly honest, this is a false rumor started by a lady who is now in custody for being a woman of color."
Under cover of darkness, rats of all sizes were spotted by the Secret Service as they slithered out of the White House. Some carried partially-eaten slices of pizza, while others, like Jared Kushner, had H-2B minimum-wage workers push wheelbarrows of gold ingots toward Marine One, the president's"getaway car."
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