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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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Well said Werner, WBraun
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Lambone
Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
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^ ya and double check your haulbag tie in before you drop it on parties below...
(If that’s in fact what happened here)
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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everal times I did state my opinion that for him climbing was waste of his talent. I still feel this to be true.
Agreed. Alex has so much more to offer the world.
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CarolKlein
Ice climber
Chamonix
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Heard this awful news yesterday while up here on Puget Sound, promoting my book
Discussed amongst dirtbags in Chamonix parked near les Planards too.
Feels so similar to how the cirque around Cham felt went Potter died.
And takes me back to the pain a lot in the online community felt to express when that Tyson/Mason (?) guy took a ride with the block.
The elite do elite stuff and reap high praise and that's why they're called elite.
When stuff goes wrong they can suffer elite failure.
That's the name of the game and it's not going away ....
Supposing they stay true to the promises they agreed with their loved ones, perhaps it’s a personal decision that the community has no order to judge. But whether it deserves the public clap of encouragement is the business of each onlooker amongst the collective they seek to promote themselves to.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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I met Tim some time ago. We were among a handful of climbers from the Antelope Valley ( Palmdale-Lancaster area). I was an aging climber who had a couple of El Cap routes under my belt, and he was an inspired and talented climber who was very motivated. We also both shared the same career....education. Tim invited me out for a few local climbs, but he was way out of my league. We both shared the same philosophy of education which placed students first and focused on learning opportunities with real world application. Tim was an exceptional teacher who saw “human potential not yet reached” in every student who walked into his classroom.
I remember running into Tim and his family in Yosemite a few years ago. I was there with my brother and friends and we were hiking up to the base of the Nose. I ran into Tim at the base of Pine Line where he was coaching his kid up the climb. Tim immediately tried to talk me into a night time push of the South Face of Washington Column. Aging climbers with a shitload of gear are targets for such proposals, but for one of the first times in my life I used proper prudence and judgement and declined. Tim was very understanding, and I’m sure he was just topping out on the Column that night as I was taking my last shot of Fireball around the campfire with my brother and friends.
I am so sorry Tim. My Condolences to your lovely wife, children and extended family...........and to the many future students who will never know the gift you provided so many. Thank you my brother !
Cracko
AKA Bob Porter first and foremost, condolences to Tim, and Jason's families, and friends.
When I heard "Palmdale climber" I thought of you Cracko. Glad you are still around.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Deepest condolences.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Agreed. Alex has so much more to offer the world. He is young and that will always be in his reservoir. He may have more to offer, but because of his climbing accomplishments, he can offer what he has to more.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Stunning news. I remember well the same sense of shock 50 years ago when the first of these El Cap deaths occurred with Jim Madsen. The friends and familes of these men will also remember this tragedy vividly 50 years from now. It never gets any easier for those left behind. Peace to all those grieving now.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Condolences to those affected.
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bbbeans
Trad climber
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Very sad news. Good vibes to their families and friends in a difficult time.
I just want to mention that the entire "extreme sports" world and the companies associated with them are reliant on their athletes taking risks. Alex Honnold doing extremely bold climbing helps the The North Face makes a profit.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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To be sponsored now by companies because of accomplishments in extreme sports you already have to have made a mark. The NF came to Alex after he had already free soloed Moonlight Buttress and Half Dome. The question is....what happens next, do you have to continue to expand your accomplishments to continue your sponsoship and do it for the camera.
Alex’s initial solos were very private, now everything is in headlines. Hopefully the personal motivation for doing cutting edge extreme sports is not swayed by sponsorship pressure to the point where extreme athletes do things that don’t feel right.
Bottom line...no one is forced to do extreme sports against their will even though additional factors in their decision making are presented.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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The question is....what happens next, do you have to continue to expand your accomplishments to continue your sponsoship and do it for the camera.
ala Alex Lowe.
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jstan
climber
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Alex’s initial solos were very private, now everything is in headlines. Hopefully the personal motivation for doing cutting edge extreme sports is not swayed by sponsorship pressure to the point where extreme athletes do things that don’t feel right.
Bottom line...no one is forced to do extreme sports against their will even though additional factors in their decision making are presented.
Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jun 4, 2018 - 08:36am PT
The question is....what happens next, do you have to continue to expand your accomplishments to continue your sponsoship and do it for the camera.
ala Alex Lowe.
And members of the audience need to ask themselves
"Do I choose to be a part of this machine?"
Something else:
Technical rock climbers tend to feel their pursuit is, to an extent, not so subject to objective dangers. We clean it up as best we can.
Climbing against the clock and soloing are actually forms of alpinism.
Big difference.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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friend of mine has a go fund me to help finance a trip to K2. so far I have not been able to donate. Afraid of being partially responsible if it goes south...
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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friend of mine has a go fund me to help finance a trip to K2. so far I have not been able to donate. Afraid of being partially responsible if it goes south... meh. can't live life like that; scared to make risky decisions. Life is full of them.
teaching kids to ski. scary and dangerous
teaching my daughters to climb. i thought it was safe but now the youngest is climbing without me. scary AF.
giving my oldest the car on her 16th b-day.
Saying yes to any of these things carries the potential negative consequence of death. Saying no means a life less lived. I choose to live life and I hope I taught my kids the same.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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If these experienced fit guys were simulclimbing very easy ground and someone slipped or blew a foothold on well traveled rock in the valley then that's just an awful mistake, not reckless imo.
Let's face it, everyone of us who have lead long trad routes have run it way the f' out on occasion on easy terrain, or climbed over suspect gear when nothing else fit. We've all effectively free solo'd from time to time with psychological crap pro on easier pitches.
These guys weren't grinding the crack in squirrel suits at 140...
It could happen to any of us, so accept that and move on.
Condolences to their families....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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fear likely is on track. just out climbing and slipped on easy ground.. sad day for everyone.
If my friend was financeing any normal kind of climbing trip I would help no problem. K2 is the kind of place that kills people rather regularly... I would hep you race motocycles on the track in an instant. I would not help if you were going to Isle of Mann... everyone has their choice. Not going to stop you but not helping either...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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A terrible thing to have happen. I really feel for their families and friends. A sad day indeed.
I have a question. Is it certain there was a third climber with them? If so, how does this square with them simul-climbing?
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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friend of mine has a go fund me to help finance a trip to K2. so far I have not been able to donate. Afraid of being partially responsible if it goes south... meh. can't live life like that; scared to make risky decisions. Life is full of them.
"summit or die, either way I win." Rob Slater
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AlanDoak
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Yes, there was a 3rd. According to sources I trust, the line that the 3rd was jumaring was anchored somewhere in the middle, and the end of the rope was clipped to Tim's (the 2nd, who was actively climbing) gear loop, and the gear loop blew out when loaded. The exact details might be different, but that's the basic jist.
Jason was internally motivated from everything I knew of him, the discussion of sponsorship or media attention doesn't apply to this situation.
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