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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 27, 2018 - 07:51pm PT
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^^^
You should replace that duck with a loon.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 27, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
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As for McCain refusing an early release, three different POW's have said that he was ordered to turn it down by his U.S. POW commander.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 27, 2018 - 07:59pm PT
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Lotta wild claims, but no links.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 27, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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That's you are only a lazy nutcase politard ....
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 27, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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Is Veterans Today too embarrassing?
WB's kook site that thinks McCain was the devil.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Aug 27, 2018 - 10:09pm PT
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You are clueless on domestic and foreign politics
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 28, 2018 - 06:23am PT
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Of course Donalds petty...McCain sank Don's battleship with his deciding vote on Obamacare..Trump was all set for a onslaught of tweets about how bitchen he was and then nothing....LMAO...Loser..I prefer presidents who can legislate...
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 28, 2018 - 11:54am PT
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John Lewis, Democrat, 8-25-18 "Senator John McCain was a warrior for peace. He will be deeply missed by people all around the world."
John Lewis, Democrat, October of 2008, compared McCain to George Wallace, and accused him of fostering an atmosphere of "hate and hostility" and said he was sowing seeds of "hate and hostility".
Hypocrite. Apparently Jody's mind only works in black and white (like a lot of conservatives). Because a person disagrees with someone on one issue, then their later agreement on a separate issue makes them a hypocrite. I'd say that make them an intelligent grown up. He can't even understand that many people appreciate McCain because he was able to see past that simpleton's world view.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Aug 28, 2018 - 03:27pm PT
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http://halfstaff.org/about/
"...And on the day of death and the following day for a member of Congress."
The President can, of course proclaim that he flags remain low for a greater period of time, and under pressure that is what he has done.
Should it have been at half staff for longer in McCain's honor? I'd say yes, but it does open a can of worms down the road. What do they do when Dianne Feinstein dies? Was she as great as McCain? How long the flag flies low for any given member of Congress will become a political issue.
They're treating this guy like he was President. A military procession, horse and caisson, the Navy Band, laying in State in the Capitol Rotunda.
McCain deserves recognition, but let's not forget that he was a hawk on foreign policy, fully supporting the invasion of Iraq. He didn't just go along with it like most of the sheep in Congress, he was outspoken, he led on the deal. He also brokered the deal which armed up the rebels in Syria who then took their new American made weapons and equipment south and started ISIS. They killed a lot of Kurds along the way too.
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A Essex
climber
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Aug 28, 2018 - 04:28pm PT
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the GOP is eating itself
and the Dems can't find themselves
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Aug 28, 2018 - 04:55pm PT
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^^^
Pretty much summarizes it.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 28, 2018 - 05:28pm PT
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And Americans are still st00pid as hell as far as what's really going on.
Continually brainwashed by their st00pid main loon media apparatus ....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 28, 2018 - 06:21pm PT
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xcon...check veterans today...probably an article about mcCain working for the NVA...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 28, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
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How low were the flags when Fischer died
Can we get an amen for a pardon
Accuses Soviets of collusion
Following his failure[211] in the 1962 Candidates, Fischer asserted, in an August 20, 1962 Sports Illustrated article, entitled "The Russians Have Fixed World Chess", that three of the five Soviet players (Tigran Petrosian, Paul Keres, and Efim Geller) had a prearranged agreement to quickly draw their games against each other in order to conserve their energy for playing against Fischer. It is generally thought that this accusation is correct.[212][213] Fischer stated that he would never again participate in a Candidates' tournament, since the format, combined with the alleged collusion, made it impossible for a non-Soviet player to win. Following Fischer's article, FIDE, in late 1962, voted to implement a radical reform of the playoff system, replacing the Candidates' tournament with a format of one-on-one knockout matches; the format that Fischer would dominate in 1971.[213][214]
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Aug 28, 2018 - 09:56pm PT
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John McCain's father was an Admiral. John was offered early release for the propaganda gain by North Vietnam. He turned it down. How many people would do that from even all the tough climbers. He got his ass kicked and stored in a dark room for a long time. He survived. Toss in the carrier pilot part and the whole thing is harder than the biggest wall that any of you here have climbed. It is easy to find faults in people. It is much harder to admit to another's strengths when they make you feel smaller.I admire the survivor. His politic's were his. Mine are mine.
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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Aug 29, 2018 - 04:45am PT
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McCain was a war mongerer. John McCain felt freedom and democracy were worth fighting for across the globe, and he walked the walk before talking the talk. Disagree with his solution approach, but the idea that he “mongered” war for the sake of mongering? No.
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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Aug 29, 2018 - 06:02am PT
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I think he was not a fan of authoritarians (Putin, Saddam, Mullahs, Burma leadership) and wannabe authoritarians (Trump).
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:16am PT
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Who could be a fan of politics?
My family was in it for two generations (27 years senator, 8 years alderman, 4 years VP of state women league of voters). Give some thought to what it takes to get elected and to keep getting elected. If a person can’t get elected, they can get very little done as an individual outside the system.
What political system for a large population works well?
No political system or participant is worth getting upset about.
As Dirty Harry said, “A man’s got to know his limitations.”
Get yourself into any real position of power and see how much you get to effect.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2018 - 09:24am PT
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"McCain was a war mongerer."
I'd have much preferred having his judgement in the White House after the events of 9/11, that's for damn sure.
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Aug 29, 2018 - 11:44am PT
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Like I said Robert L, his politics were his, and mine are mine. The reason you can't know what mine are is that I won't say. I remember a time when voting was a private matter. Now many people wear their party on their sleeve and demand others do as well. This is where the true social division starts. I am no lock-step robot for anything. Each day is new. Be friends with anyone. If over time they sling attitude at you or actually take a swing then it is time to move on, but not until then.
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