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Moof
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Orygun
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May 18, 2018 - 02:40pm PT
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It is disingenuous to say the US has gun control today. We have the facade of it with loop holes and intentional limitations (background checks are not allowed to be computerized for example).
I'll take the Australia model please. Make guns really hard to get, and buy back as many that are out there in the first place. The aussies have drastically cut the number of mass shooting deaths per capita compared to before they made the change, and continue to be lower than the US by a mile.
I am on the left end of things, and no I don't want to ban all gun ownership. I want to see guns tightly regulated. Most guns should be kept at a carefully regulated firing range or hunting clubs. Most households do not need guns to be stored there.
The overall violent crime rate is way down form 30-40 years back, but the white paranoia and gun fetishism is way up. Most other civilized countries have figured out that tight gun control cuts mass shootings and suicide rates, and I hope someday we will too.
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HoMan
Trad climber
Wasteville,CA
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May 18, 2018 - 02:42pm PT
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Fine, let the shooters use shotguns and revolvers. The cops would rather deal with them than be up against the high capacity, rapid fire, assault weapons.
I wonder what the death and injury toll would have been had he used an assault weapon?
You wonder? More sound logic from Monolick. An acceptable amount of death for you as long as no assault weapons were used.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 18, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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I'd rather reduce deaths and injury from all types of guns, but you got to start somewhere, and the low hanging fruit is tighter control on assault weapons. Sheesh!
And, yes, I think it's better to have less killed and injured in mass shooting incident than more, and make it easier on the cops to save lives. Duh!
BTW, luvin the name calling.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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May 18, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
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wonder what caused this kid's meltdown?
That’s easy.White kid.
Troubled youth just exercising his second amendment rights.
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WBraun
climber
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May 18, 2018 - 03:17pm PT
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monolith
He can call you any name he wants since you're an anonymous coward tool ......
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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May 18, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
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Kingtut wants a maximum of 6 rounds in weapons. The Texas shooter had just that in his revolver. Just another uninformed reactionary.
The individual(s) that made the weapons available to the Texas shooter are responsible for this tragedy as well. They need to be held accountable.
Schools today are unsafe and old liberals like Craig Fry want to ignore it and pine for the good ol' days at he expense of common sense measures to keep up with the times.
I have 2 children in Grade School and 2 in high school.
They all want a safe environment to learn and if that means metal detectors and armed guards they support it.
I don't know how many kids Craig Fry polled for his assertion that children don't want this but, he is wrong.
Find a way to have armed, trained veterans protect our schools. Find a way to pay for this.
These are the issues we need to be discussing.
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monolith
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state of being
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May 18, 2018 - 04:04pm PT
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How many would he have killed and wounded with a 30 round capacity gun, Pud?
5x more reloading gives people more opportunity to take him out.
WB, hello little buddy.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 18, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
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5x more reloading gives people more opportunity to take him out.
A person with a gun doesn't have to wait for the goblin to reload before he can fight back.
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monolith
climber
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May 18, 2018 - 04:17pm PT
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Huh?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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May 18, 2018 - 04:41pm PT
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Bro? Not likely.
Make schools safer with appropriate protections. Common sense.
Taking weapons away from responsible gun owners is not only an inappropriate response to this problem, it is not going to happen.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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May 18, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
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He had only 6 rounds in the magazine which GREATLY REDUCED the number he murdered
Um, revolvers don't have magazines--they have cylinders.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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May 18, 2018 - 06:13pm PT
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I don't have a timeline for the shootings, but the "school resource officer" aka cop, was critically injured by the shooter.
This must mean we need more than one cop at schools, most likely a squad of brave cops, who won't avoid a shooter, & smart cops, who won't shoot innocent people, like armed teachers, in a panic situation.
I'm still an advocate of arming students who are on teams, have parents with a police or military background, or are in para-military campus clubs like ROTC, Boy Scouts, or Young Republicans.
It would save lots of money & Gawd knows, Republicans hate taxes.
After all, what could go rong?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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May 18, 2018 - 06:30pm PT
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Look at you and how you cling to your guns despite the carnage our lax laws wreck daily in America. Happy fapping to your shootin' iron, bro.
Common sense is not selling guns to every f*#king idiot that wants to play Rambo, like you. The stronger your desire to have one is only evidence on how you shouldn't be trusted with one.
You're a real badass behind a keyboard.
My right to bear arms is not your decision to make.
You're so easily triggered, it's quite obvious who's the one that needs to stay away from firearms.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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May 18, 2018 - 06:36pm PT
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When we began the security checks at U.S. airports, the worlds experts, the Israelis told us that mass checking doesn't work, you have to have trained people looking out for certain signs that someone is up to something. You need to target people who act and look a certain way. I have seen at least a hundred people outside of LAX at the SW terminal, just standing on the curb. If a person came by with an automatic weapon, he could mow them down, and all the security inside would make no difference.
In this case, the boy was hiding a shot gun and a hand gun inside his trench coat. In Texas, it should be quite warm by mid-May, so a trench coat would be very suspicious and out of place.
Still, these events are hard to stop. Even if the schools were secure, a mass shooting could easily be done in the morning, while a large number of children are entering a school, outside of the school, near the curb.
Court rooms are relatively easy to secure, as you really need a reason to be there.
These kinds of killings fall into a category that the FBI calls, "One perpetrator, multiple victims" They account for only about 6% of all homicides in a given year. Most murders are one-on-one crimes of passion, where the people know each other well. The most common category is men killing their wives and girlfriends. On average, we have a homicide about every 35 minutes in the U.S. But few of them make the national news.
As horrific as these mass killings in crowded places are, there is no way we can secure all these schools, shopping malls, outdoor concert venues, etc. If you compare the homicide rates today with those in 1980, they have gone down quite a lot.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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May 18, 2018 - 06:43pm PT
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How about the D-bag Trumpie that thought it was a good idea to parade around in front the mass murder sight with his Trump hat, ‘Merican flag and gun today. That is the sort of people we are dealing with.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 18, 2018 - 06:50pm PT
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A person with a gun doesn't have to wait for the goblin to reload before he can fight back.
Chaz, libs like monolith have this fantasy-land of a school in which cowering, unarmed teachers are thinking: "Wait for it. Wait for it. THERE! He's reloading, so we have about 2 seconds to rush him! Who's with me!?!"
Yeah, right. The "gun free" zones are NOTHING but target-rich zones, and when you entirely disarm law-abiding people in such zones, you force upon them ONLY the terrible choice to be outright victims or engage in such foolish "thinking" as the fantasy-land scenario above.
The only gun-free zones should be those in which police and metal detectors, perhaps even pat-downs, virtually guarantee that there are in fact no guns in the zone. If a criminal can trivially get guns into the "gun free zone," as we've seen again and again, then it is NOT a gun-free zone, and citizen's therefore have the inalienable right to be armed there if they choose to be.
Or, we could just issue mini-bats, as has already been done in liberal fantasy-lands: "Wait for it. Wait for it. THERE! He's reloading, so we have 2 seconds to rush him with our mini-bats and give him a good whopping! Oh, what a headache we can give him if we're lucky! Who's with me!?!"
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WBraun
climber
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May 18, 2018 - 06:51pm PT
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Monolith is a nutcase projectionist ......
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