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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 13, 2018 - 09:50am PT
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Is that language on the Statue of Liberty: Written by France - another country getting taken over by immigrants from shithole countries.
Of course they are all human beings and very nice people - but there is also a hard economic reality to deal with - pull your weight or starve to death.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 09:56am PT
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Written by France - another country getting taken over by immigrants from shithole countries.
maybe you want to look this up before you make such a statement. I provided the poem from which the language was taken in a post above, written by Emma Lazarus, an American poet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus
her family had emigrated before the Revolutionary War...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 10:22am PT
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VIVE LES BANLIEUES! I dare any of you tough guys to walk through one of France’s
banlieues at night. They are no-go zones for the police so what do you think your chances
of getting through would be? And if you were foolish enough to park your car you better leave
the windows cracked and the doors unlocked or they will be done so for you within an hour.
To be fair, that will occur anywhere in Paris.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 10:31am PT
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I lived in NYC, upper west side, in the 1970's...
the popular perception of inner city danger is somewhat overblown.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Jan 13, 2018 - 11:47am PT
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It is not a matter of whether or not Haiti, El Salvador, and countries in Africa are “shitholes.”
The real twofold problem stems from the fact that the president of the United States said this, not just some d#@&%enozzle Manhattan real estate developer.
First, he wasn‘t really just talking about these countries, he was primarily referring to the people from these countries (hence his reference to people from Norway being more desirable) in a racist manner that showed a total lack of understanding of our country’s immigration history. It was an insult to all the people, past and present, your ancestors included, who have dreamed of coming to America to make a better life for themselves and their children.
Second, it again showed what a klutz and buffoon this worthless excuse for a president is when it comes to foreign policy and our standing on the world stage. Those “shithole” countries in Africa are the future. They are the emerging markets, many of them rich in natural and human resources that the U.S. and China are competing to develop or exploit.
Donald Trump is a racist.
No one thing in the list below proves that Trump is a racist, but taken as a whole, only the most craven Trumpie tool could deny this glaringly obvious fact.
But watch. Some DT salad-tosser will show himself for what he is by trying to cherrypick from the list and make excuses.
1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.
1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump's Castle, accused another one of Trump's businesses of discrimination. "When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor," Brown said. "It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back."
1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of "stripping the United States of economic dignity." This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the "Central Park Five" — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, "BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!" The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control." Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that "the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true."
1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a "record of criminal activity [that] is well documented."
2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. "You're an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything," Trump said on the show. "At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’"
2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he "wasn't particularly happy" with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering "an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world."
2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the "Ground Zero Mosque" — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it "insensitive," and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, "Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff."
2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama's birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a "carnival barker." (The research has found a strong correlation between "birtherism," as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, "I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?"
Trump launched his campaign in 2015 by calling Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime" and "bringing drugs" to the US. His campaign was largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.
As a candidate in 2015, Trump called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. His administration’s attempts at implementing a watered-down version of this policy have been contested in courts.
When asked at a 2016 Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, "I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them."
He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments "the textbook definition of a racist comment."
Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.
He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, "Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!" The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.
Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), who has said she has Cherokee ancestors, as "Pocahontas."
At the 2016 Republican convention, Trump officially seized the mantle of the "law and order" candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low. His speeches, comments, and executive actions after he took office have continued this line of messaging.
In a pitch to black voters in 2016, Trump said, "You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?"
Trump stereotyped a black reporter at a press conference in February 2017. When April Ryan asked him if he plans to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s "just a reporter."
In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that "many sides" and "both sides" were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters that stood against racism. He also said that there were "some very fine people" among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for "defending the truth."
Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly attacked NFL players who, by kneeling or otherwise silently protesting during the national anthem, demonstrated against systemic racism in America.
Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti "all have AIDS," and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never "go back to their huts" once they saw America. The White House denied that Trump ever made these comments.
Speaking about immigration in January 2018, Trump asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, "Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" He then suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly black countries are bad.
Trump denied making the "shithole" comments about Haiti, but he did not deny making the comments about African countries. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments, like Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests, will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests and his reported comments about immigration from Haiti and Africa is race.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history
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Plaidman
Trad climber
West Slope of Powell Butte, Portland, Oregon, USA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 12:05pm PT
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My wife suggested that all US citizens publicly shun and have a cross country ignore Trump
Day in response to Trumps comments.
She said she was worried what Trump would do if he wasn’t watched.
I told her “Oh, we would have to have a designated driver.”
Plaid
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Jan 13, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
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Yeah Trump has always been a narcissistic attention whore.
He gets off on everyone’s reaction to his offensive tweets.
If no one paid any attention to this form of public masturbation, he might start playing with his (bigger) nukie button.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 12:57pm PT
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He's worried about immigrants from shithole Countries and Putin fiddles while America burns?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 13, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
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I lived in NYC, upper west side, in the 1970's...
So did I. Where were you? I was at 105th and West End, going to Manhattan School of Music at 116th and Broadway. Something tells me you were at Columbia?
I only had the wheels stolen off my car once, the day before I was to drive to CA.
The Banlieues to which Reilly refers are not like upper west side Manhattan.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 13, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
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I can't believe that even Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said that he was descended from unskilled immigrants from a shithole country.
Both sets of my grandparents were illiterate in their native language, and came through Ellis Island from a shithole country.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 02:13pm PT
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100th St and Riverside Dr., I was at Columbia at the time.
I had a number of notable car issues, but the car at the time was a 1961 VW window van with CA ZOT580 license plate.
First experience with being double parked in, finding a nearby garage, "what do I do?," them: "drive on the sidewalk," me: "but what about the cops?," them: "how are you going to get out?" So I did, the pedestrians responded in the classic NYC manner, they didn't even notice.
Another was just the opposite of what everyone fears... having parked on Friday and leaving the car where it was, Monday finds me looking for my keys, which I cannot find in the tiny apartment. I get all my stuff together and walk down to the car, and the keys are right where I left them, in the ignition.
As far as theft, the only thing ever stolen out of the car was the grey plastic gear shift knob, the classic original one. At the time batteries would be stolen, and puzzled owners couldn't figure out why someone would want an old battery, until after getting the new one lifted. Recall that that VW operated on a 6V system.
Finally, parking in Manhattan being very tight, I had a primo spot, legal with no cars in front of me (at a light/crosswalk) on the southbound side of Riverside Dr. The next day I went to get my car, and couldn't find it... not unusual as you park so many different places on so many different days that who knows. I start walking down Riverside Dr. looking, notice a car stopped at the intersection of 96th and Riverside, a low point, and realize it is my van, someone got in it (no locks) took it out of gear and let it roll down the street, thus freeing the parking place. I don't know how long it sat there, but there were no tickets on it! A taxi driver agreed to push it to get it started.
Not so bad an experience for life in the big city.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 13, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
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My Grand Parents and their son, my father, would please Trump. They came over from Norway... My mom's parents from Sweden.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 13, 2018 - 05:54pm PT
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Maybe Mr. Trump should take a walk around the streets of his home town.
I just returned from a couple of days in New York, and, as is the case every time I go there, I marvel at what a shithole it is. The photo below isn't mine (just grabbed off the internet), but it shows the everyday state of the streets in Manhattan.
Seattle, where I live with my Norwegian wife, is heaven by comparison, but we will soon be leaving your country. Not without some regret -- the US isn't coast-to-coast horrible -- but it ain't the center of the civilized universe either.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 13, 2018 - 05:58pm PT
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For JoeM, some words...
First, the old vocabulary, First World and so on, is post-WWII and very out-of-date in its meaning. I do not subscribe to their usage in my personal messages, only to keep misunderstanding to a minumum...not my fault folks don't keep up with the current terms like "underdeveloped shitholes."
Second, you seem to have no ideas of your own. What's your beef? Got one?
Do you even lift?
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 13, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
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Jody- What's the matter bud? If you're trollin on this one something must be up....
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
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Not sure what people are so upset about. Seems as if he described this country pretty well.
Here's another picture, from that country, Jody:
This picture was posted by a coworker on FB today, shared from the feed of another. Along with that picture was this accompanying text:
//Alix Idrache, 2016 graduate of the United States Military at West Point, Army helicopter pilot.....and all of those stripes on his left arm along with the star on his collar means that he was at the top of his class (over 950 of America’s best and brightest kids that year). Oh, and he’s from Haiti.
He thanked people for their well wishes on Instagram, where the photo was shared by West Point.
He wrote:
I want to thank everyone for your kind and thoughtful comments on this picture. SSG Bryant captured a moment that I will never forget. At this moment, I was overwhelmed with emotions. Three things came to mind and led to those tears. The first is where I started. I am from Haiti and never did I imagine that such honor would be one day bestowed on me. The second is where I am. Men and women who have preserved the very essence of the human condition stood in that position and took the same oath. Men who preserved the Union is a dark period of this country's history. Men who scaled the face of adversity and liberated Europe from fascism and nazism. Women like CPT Griest, LT Haver, MAJ Jaster who rewrote the narrative and challenged the status quo to prove themselves worthy of being called Rangers. The third is my future. Shortly after leave, I will report to FT. Rucker to start flight school. Knowing that one day I will be a pilot is humbling beyond words. I could not help but be flooded with emotions knowing that I will be leading these men and women who are willing to give their all to preserve what we value as the American way of life. To me, that is the greatest honor. Once again, thank you.//
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 13, 2018 - 06:33pm PT
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^^^^^
Finally something that makes me proud to be an American
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 13, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
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There is no defending this racist c*#ks@cker and if you are then your no different than him.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Jan 13, 2018 - 07:44pm PT
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Trump:
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”
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