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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 13, 2017 - 12:12pm PT
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The jousting at windmills thread that won't die......
but my life's experiences with women in general mesh better with the scientifically backed points Damore makes, than the speculative ones you and feminist Googlers are making in this case.
Kevin, not that I expect you will bother to contemplate this, but read Zonatan Zunger's response:
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788
All of which is why the conclusions of this manifesto are precisely backwards. It’s true that women are socialized to be better at paying attention to people’s emotional needs and so on — this is something that makes them better engineers, not worse ones. It’s a skillset that I did not start out with, and have had to learn through years upon years of grueling work. (And I should add that I’m very much an introvert; if you had asked me twenty years ago if I were suited to dealing with complex interpersonal issues day-to-day, I would have looked at you like you were mad.) But I learned it because it’s the heart of the job, and because it turns out that this is where the most extraordinary challenges and worthwhile results happen.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 13, 2017 - 01:27pm PT
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May the Force be with or without you, eh?
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AE
climber
Boulder, CO
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Aug 16, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
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Re: gender bias and the Warbler
Who appears to love the sound of his own songs, rather than use them to attract mates.
Perhaps women have simply had better things to do than fritter away years over a Peter Pan existence, an indulgence men have been able to get away with. Since men invented the jargon of grandiloquence to pat themselves on their collective backsides, and since they constructed the bulk of rating systems, perhaps women could do the same, and so bias the medium that the poor men will give up altogether, and go find some new arena in which to wax up and feel all manly.
I for one got into climbing precisely because it was a geeky, eccentric, introverted backwater outlet where jocks did not dwell. I met young women who actually climbed because they wanted to, not because they were looking for a hubby or swooned over some hunk.
Yet another old Valley troglodyte desperately seeking attention, via his pleas for relevance in a brave new world that ignores him. The fact that he finds it in this forum, says more about the ST fanboys than the contemporary world at large. We can all climb together and bury the relics. A toast to all the righteous bitches out there. Kick 'em where it hurts.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 16, 2017 - 11:39pm PT
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John Hawkins? Really? Crikey dude, even being kind that's scraping the bottom of the pseudo-intellectual barrel.
And check it out, any time someone attempts to dismiss feminism with a single wave of the hand you know you're dealing with a complete and utter moron. That, and it's all the more ironic and embarrassing when it comes from a guy who makes his living as a professional victim of the plaintive right.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 17, 2017 - 08:36am PT
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Suzies Winnebago Biscuits 5.7+ has 3 ascents it's harder than cobra crack
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 17, 2017 - 12:41pm PT
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She makes them in her winnabago I dunno man
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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 17, 2017 - 12:51pm PT
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And now...a little eye-candy for all you feminists reading this climbing thread:
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Aug 17, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
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Thanks, L. I'm a straight male, and that pic is, well, hot. Good lookin' dood, but think of him more than just a hunky piece of meat, please.
BAd
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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Aug 17, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
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He's missing his bra/halter top! Oh my, I'm SO offended! Get over it!
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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 17, 2017 - 03:09pm PT
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Good lookin' dood, but think of him more than just a hunky piece of meat, please.
Lol BAd! I definitely think of him as more than just a hunky piece of meat!
I mean, those bulging lats and killer smile aside, just look at the tic list he and his friend checked (in the Euro thread) in the short time they were in the Valley. Beyond impressive!
Enough to make a few of the posers here a little jealous, me thinks...
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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 17, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
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Ooops! My bad!
I meant to type "posters", not posers. (That would've been spelled "poseur", I believe.)
Me thinks yer letting yer hoohoo do the thinkin'
What are you, 11 years old? 12? For a man that's almost 70, you talk like an adolescent.
Now if you really want to seeing some nice posing, check this out:
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Matt's
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
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nooooooo... I wanted to do a whole separate special post just for the warbler on this. :(
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 12, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
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No shrinking violet, she is a natural feminist and frankly would likely cold c*#k KW for his sexist views on the female form -but she agrees with parts of his fundamental premise.
Ha. I know Mrs. Frostback, and yeah, she might agree with some of the things KW is saying, but he'd be recovering from a broken jaw.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 12, 2017 - 05:23pm PT
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You'll have to ask Frostback about that. All I know is that I sure as hell would not have wanted to piss her off.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sep 12, 2017 - 07:13pm PT
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It's not like I'm prejudiced - that I've prejudged it - it's just that women are never going to consistently outclimb men. I've got all the proof I need right here in my pants!
This never gets old does it? When you get old enough, growth learning is for younger people.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Sep 12, 2017 - 07:44pm PT
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Since I separated from my wife, the only girls I hang and climb with have been @ 30, and they're kinda smokin'hot, and super smart
: D
You clearly still like to "run it out" ;-)
I'm in the same game. Can be dicey at times
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Sep 12, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
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This thread needs more Warble pics. Preferably shirtless.
Come on.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 12, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
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Damn...those girls just keep kicking sand in our faces. "It goes boys" was just the beginning.
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