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Norton
Social climber
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Well, since Affirmative Action results in public colleges being "forced" to accept academically lesser qualified students at the detriment of better (smarter) applicants....
then the answer has to be a non subjective computer simply picking the applicants with the very highest high school GPA and highest college entrance exams scores.
right? that way no particular race, no ethic group gets rejected, no "discrimination"
any if every single college spot happened to go to an Asian well so be, that is fair
and what is good for the goose is good for the gander, all community colleges and junior public schools should also be void of discrimination, fair is only fair
enough of these veiled reparations, no one alive today should have to pay for the sins of someone 150 years ago, too bad you don't like arrogance and academic limitations
same goes for student loans, lets get tough here, get a job in the evenings, why should the taxpayers have to pay for all the defaults on student loans, can't pay, can't go
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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It is not at all true that Howard only admits blacks.
Can you identify the following, who I believe is one of the more famous (or infamous) Howard alumna of recent years?
(She did end up suing Howard for discrimination, but still)
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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His immigration policy that he just released has been in place for quite a while in Canada. Canada was super open to immigration for a while, but was overrun by eastern Europeans and others who didn't even speak the language.
If you want to immigrate to Canada now, you have to take a physical first, to show that you won't be an expensive burden on their healthcare system, then you must show your education and experience. It helps if you already have a job lined up.
I honestly have no problem of the U.S. adopting a similar immigration system. We will be getting doctors and PHD's instead of uneducated people who are a drain on the social safety nets.
Immigrants aren't citizens yet. They don't have the same rights as citizens. Every country on Earth keeps track of that.
The ones that I feel for are the Mexican kids who were born in Mexico, but were brought up here. It doesn't seem humane to ship them back to Mexico, where they don't even know the language. Those are the ones who are certainly here illegally, but I think we should make room for.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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It is not at all true that Howard only admits blacks.
Can you identify the following, who I believe is one of the more famous (or infamous) Howard alumna of recent years?
(She did end up suing Howard for discrimination, but still)
You guys keep straw-manning my points.
I SAID "95% black," and you "respond" (at, least it seems that you think you responded) by saying, "It is not at all true that Howard only admits blacks."
Uhhh... DUH! But I never said that it did. You "refuted" nothing.
And then you proceed to shoot yourself (your attempted argument) squarely in the foot by saying, "She did end up suing Howard for discrimination, but still."
It would be laughable, if it weren't so tragic.
I have literally come to conclude that there is NO arguing with the vast majority of liberals. Too many of you twist verbiage to suit your own needs, regardless of the clear-cut points made by those with whom you disagree. You are instant at playing the race card, as Kingtut just did (and he's particularly quick on it). You insist on the most pathetic and transparent straw-man arguments filled with ad hominem attacks. In short, your goal (and this defines your policy goals as well) is: WIN at ANY COST!
You do not want consensus. You must BEAT DOWN the "opposition" by ANY means, fair, dirty, twisted, or otherwise. That's a generalization, but it fits most of you on this thread.
You don't want to "discuss." You only want to BEAT DOWN your "opponents" and be the "last man standing."
Fortunately, the lib element on this site is NOT representative of liberal thinking across the country, and it is NOT representative of the mainstream of this country. I find "discussions" on these threads to be so toxic that I always end up feeling dirty. I try now and then, but the endless accusations of "racism" and completely irrelevant ad hominem attacks are just disgusting.
And "arguments" like the one I'm now citing are transparently ridiculous. But you'll mostly just uncritically accept such tripe as, "Yeah! You sure told him!" I have no use for it.
You WANT the nation to be your echo chamber. "Out there" there are means by which to fight you, and that's a fight worth engaging in. "In here," you can have your echo chamber.
Carry on.
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dirtbag
climber
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Yeah...that about sums it up, except you forgot the part where he storms off, vowing never to return.
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jonnyrig
climber
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After losing the point no less.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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The goal of Diversity in admissions is to recognize that the idea is not to produce Math Robots but instead to nurture Critical Thinkers. . . . And you need diversity to produce just that
Is the statement above an example of critical thinking? Is Diversity sufficient to produce critical thinking? If critical thinking takes place must there be Diversity?
Just curious.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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E=mc^2
Sorry, John: an example of smart-ass critical thinking.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Trump's policy on immigration- Limits on green cards and language requirements.
I don't need a guy wielding a shovel for 15 bucks an hour to speak English and I can't afford a labor shortage for some bullshit nativism policy.
There's jobs out there that just plain suck and it's difficult to find established workers in our society willing to do these jobs. The lowest rung on a ladder is the closest thing within reach of someone at the bottom.
Nationalist- engineered privilege won't help you.
Liberal elites- your warm and fuzzy agenda won't put food on the table.
The reality is, day Laborers willingly suffer and toil with the hope that someday, their children will go to college or start a small business. I see that dream come true all the time and that's exactly how America has worked for generation after generation.
Think of it in reverse; perhaps your great grandchild's olive skinned wife or husband, who happens to be a doctor, once had a very dark skinned immigrant ancestor that didn't speak a lick of English.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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I'm all for more immigration...We'll find the water somewhere...Right...?
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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WTFover you ignorant trash
That's a little over the top mean. You are literally a calling a person trash.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Well spank my butt. I thought the idea was to produce math robots.
Thusly, eliminating all new job prospects in the U.S. and precipitating a massive wave of self-deportation amongst all those illegal colored aliens and staunching the heathen influx without even building a wall.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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. . . critical analysis of the human condition . . .
In this broad category I think you are correct. And in the sciences and math certainly diversity of thought is highly productive - but not necessarily diversity of race. Maybe I'm wrong. Just my observations over the years.
Spirited discussion.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Trump, but... Trump Butt
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Good line Jim. I may misappropriate it.
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c wilmot
climber
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I have never put any thought into what color of skin my doctor has when in need of medical care....not sure why anyone would
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I don't need a guy wielding a shovel for 15 bucks an hour to speak English...
I dug ditches for a bit and am good enough with a shovel to have once dug a couple of slackers who were in my way right out of a ditch. Can't for for the life of me recall having to say a word in any language - they just got up out of the ditch and walked off the job. Maybe I should have used my english, though, as I think I was only getting $10 / hour at the time.
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