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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 15, 2016 - 07:47am PT
the racists are really coming out of the West Virginia woodwork now

Where the f*#k is Clay County, WV?

Meanwhile, in Portland, Oregon....
dirtbag

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 07:49am PT
Tgt quoted a breitbart article to defend bannon, a self described leader of the alt right. What a joke.

Alt right - a collection of racists and cranks. And now, these Deplorables are in the White House. No wonder tgt defends bannon, trump and the alt right.

Every other American should be outraged. This administration, and the lying racist mother f*#kers in them, should be given no slack.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 07:53am PT
Hey where's Crankster? I hope he's watching... no studying... the Trump 60 Minutes piece I mentioned earlier. Imo, it's a source of some insight.


Gritting Our Teeth and Giving President Trump a Chance
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/opinion/gritting-our-teeth-and-giving-president-trump-a-chance.html
John M

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 07:55am PT
He will tell you that he isn't Jesus, so he doesn't have to act nice.

What it really does is reveal what is in a person's heart. Which is no different then the liberals who heaped a bunch of scorn on those of us who didn't want Hillary. The fact of the matter is that there is a hidden vein of hatred in most people. It stays hidden as long as things go their way, but comes out when it doesn't. Conservatives are no different from Liberals. I detest the rioting. But I also detest those who would call a black person an ape, or those who send death threats to a person simply because she took a selfie with Hilliary while out hiking, which god forbid, made Hillary seem like a normal person.

We live in very difficult times. How do you overcome that deep seated hatred? The only times Americans work together well is when their is a crisis. But I don't want to have to live in crisis all of the time in order to have peace.

I know that peace starts within.. but I see so much false peace, as people try to pretend that they are humble or at peace, but then, when things don't go their way, their peace dissolves and the hatred and fear come out.

So what is your answer?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Nov 15, 2016 - 08:10am PT
Yeah, just because some people are more than comfortable dishing it out but feel "bullied" when then get it shoved back in their face.

Don't worry, Libtards, Melania is going to tackle internet bullying as her pet project as First Lady.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 15, 2016 - 08:32am PT
The "other" thread got canned just shy of 13k....

RIP useless other thread.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2016 - 08:32am PT
Libtard. When I see that term I know the level of discourse to follow will be disappointingly low. If you're going to pose an argument at least put some effort into the task.

“We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training.”
~ Archilochus

Note that the demographic that opposed Trump includes Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians.

Glenn Beck
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/glenn-beck-hillary-clinton-moral-ethical-choice/

Peter Wehner, prominent Republican served in 3 administrations
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/opinion/campaign-stops/why-i-will-never-vote-for-donald-trump.html

Michael Morrell
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html

List of Republicans Opposed to Trump
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_opposing_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2016 - 08:46am PT
It is rather telling how little, if any, remorse over the Portland riots has been expressed by the
Robespierroises here. I would hazard a guess that at least half of the damage suffered up
there is to businesses owned by 'liberals'. I wonder if the rioters will start a gofundme for them?
Here in LA the Times noted that went they took over the freeways ambulances had to be
re-routed, sometimes quite circuitously. I guess that is Bernie's Army's cersion of collateral damage?
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2016 - 08:50am PT
They are criminals for their actions and deserve prosecution. There is a big difference between protest and civil disobedience and rioting.

The people involved there do not represent Democrats/ liberals as whole any more than the KKK, white supremacists, and fringe militias represent Republicans/conservatives as a whole.

I wonder of the group that rioted what percentage voted.
John M

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 08:53am PT
We don't have hands on leaders right now. It would be good if Bernie would go ask them to stop the rioting. Actually show up..

It would also be interesting to know how many are actually doing violent things.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 15, 2016 - 08:56am PT
I'm wondering what the ST Trump supporters think of the people he is considering for his cabinet.

pyro? TGT? Anybody?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:00am PT
When la guillotine goes up in La Place de le Prius will Melania be spared?
dirtbag

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:24am PT
What Mark said.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:34am PT
The triumphant GOP is mired in crisis after crisis



By Michael Gerson Opinion writer
November 14 at 7:29 PM

The Republican Party is everywhere triumphant — House and Senate, executive and legislative, national and state — and yet faces a series of crises.

There is a crisis of identity. Donald Trump now leads a coalition including the Republican establishment — and people who despise the Republican establishment. The insurgent president-elect — lacking relevant experience, adequate personnel and actual policy proposals — cannot exercise power without the help of those he ridiculed.

Trump has chosen to incorporate this conflict into the structure of the West Wing. His chief of staff, Reince Priebus, was the sponsor of the 2013 Republican autopsy report, which called on the party to accommodate America’s multicultural future. Trump’s chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, has made a career out of resisting that future. This is less a team of rivals than an ideological cage fight.

Every good presidential transition should involve betraying a few of your friends. Not everyone who helps a president become president is fit to help him govern. Bannon — whose Breitbart News invited the alt-right into the conservative mainstream and who has made a business model out of spreading conspiratorial nonsense — belongs in this category, along with Sarah Palin, Rudy Giuliani, Corey Lewandowski and the rest of the distracting campaign sideshow.

For the Republican Party, this is also a governing crisis. Trump won office promising to undo globalization, bring back manufacturing jobs and fulfill “every dream you ever dreamed.” So expectations are pretty high. But Trumpism, for the most part, consists of cultural signals and symbolic goals, not a set of developed proposals.

Many Republican members of Congress are frankly confused. Are they supposed to follow Trump’s lead or supply his agenda? He has embraced massive infrastructure investment, but there is no favored bill or detailed plan. Obamacare must go, but what approach to “replace” does Trump prefer? House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) is pushing for tax reform. Does the president-elect have any interest in the topic at all? The biggest frustration reported by Republicans who have met with Trump is his inability to focus for any period of time. He is impatient with facts and charts and he changes the subject every few minutes. Republican leaders need policy leadership — or permission to provide it themselves.


One area where the agenda is unifying and well-developed concerns the reversal of Obama-era executive orders. Republican lawyers have spent the past year and a half working in study groups on reversal language in order to be ready on the first day of a GOP presidency. The action most likely to cause controversy would overturn President Obama’s limited amnesty for students brought illegally to the United States as children. Most Republicans think that executive order was illegal; but most Americans will probably find the victims of reversing the order to be sympathetic.


This hints at the long-term political crisis faced by the triumphant GOP. Trump won the presidency in a manner that undermines the GOP’s electoral future. He demonstrated that the “coalition of the ascendant” — including minorities, millennials and the college-educated — is not yet ascendant. But in a nation where over half of children under 5 years old are racial or ethnic minorities, it eventually will be. Trump was elected by a 70 percent white electorate. But that was about two percentage points lower than in the 2012 election — and that number has been dropping by about two points each presidential election for decades. Trump’s white-turnout strategy is not the wave of the future; it is the last gasp of an old and disturbing electoral approach.

The final crisis faced by the GOP — and just about everyone else — relates to the quality of our political culture. Trump won office in a way that damaged our democracy. He fed resentment against minorities, promised to jail his opponent and turned shallow invective into an art form. If he governs as he campaigned, Trump will smash the unity of our country into a thousand shards of bitterness.

We should hope that the president-elect will be sobered by the responsibilities of high office and discovers hidden resources of charity (even though malice has been the habit of a lifetime). He deserves the space at least to try. But Republicans may end up depending on a younger generation of leaders — Ryan, Ben Sasse, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Jeff Flake, Marco Rubio — to demonstrate the possibility of unifying aspiration and civil disagreement. And that would lay the foundation for a lasting and honorable victory.
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:36am PT
So everyone migrated to over here since they locked the other thread?

Nothing's changed just a different label ........
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:39am PT
Mark "The Force" Force asked:

"I wonder of the group that rioted what percentage voted."

According to comments posted at the end of an article in the Portland Tribune, at least half of the arrested protestors had not voted in the election.

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/332300-211879-formal-charges-delayed-for-portlanders-arrested-in-anti-trump-demonstrations

And Mark, you are a Force, for good, like Luke Skywalker. Hey, don't you look like him too?
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:42am PT
John M you may be right but Jody's words were in response to someone saying we should work together. How can a Christian show scorn for the idea that we should work together?

Remorse is a strange word to say about the riots. I voted for Hillary but I am not rioting so why should I feel remorse? I am not ashamed of my vote. I could say sorry for what someone else is doing but why?
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:46am PT
Libtard. When I see that term I know the level of discourse to follow will be disappointingly low. If you're going to pose an argument at least put some effort into the task.

+100

I'm wondering what the ST Trump supporters think of the people he is considering for his cabinet.

That they were sold snake oil?
dirtbag

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:53am PT
Bannon isn't a cabinet pick, but tgt seems just fine with a white nationalist putting the "white" back in the White House.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 15, 2016 - 09:59am PT
Like TGT, the American nazi party is also thrilled with Bannon.

Here’s what Rocky J. Suhayda, chairman of the American Nazi Party said:

I must admit that I was a wee bit surprised that Mr. Trump finally chose Mr. Bannon, I thought that his stable of Washington insiders would have objected too vociferously...Perhaps The Donald IS for 'REAL' and is not going to be another controlled puppet directed by the usual 'Wire Pullers,' and does indeed intend to ROCK the BOAT? Time will tell.

And yet some trump supporters claim that trump opponents should quietly acquiesce to this sh#t. In other words, they should know their place and be good little children.
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