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The Chief

climber

Down the hill & across the Valley from......

Nov 28, 2015 - 09:17pm PT

I'm curious to know what DOJ or FBI "BGC's" them "Thugs" amongst the other tens of thousands of shooting thugs this year alone in the US, went through in order to acquire their, guns?

Any comment Philo?

Hint: None. Zero. Zilch. No need for such a thing where they get their guns.

Amazing how the POTUS made absolutely NO reference, nor has he ever, to either one of these latest horrific killings that just keep happening daily.

Any comment, Philo?

philo

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2015 - 09:23pm PT

Unless you think the gang thugs are smelting their own gun metal you must acknowledge that all these "illegal" guns started off as "legal" guns.
The illegal gun trade hemmoraging in this country can be stemmed.

The Chief

climber

Down the hill & across the Valley from......

Nov 28, 2015 - 09:28pm PT

Ah, well, most of their guns are NOT manu'd in the US, Philo. The Thugs weapon of choice these days are made in Sweden, So Africa, China or Russia and is nick named the "Chopper". In most cases they get into the US via the black market by way of the, wait, here it comes, the Mexican Cartel.

The illegal gun trade hemmoraging in this country can be stemmed.

Really.... How? The same way the heroin illegal drug trade has been, stemmed?

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Nov 28, 2015 - 09:52pm PT

Demand-side problems are NEVER solved with promises of false supply-side solutions.

Ever.

The premise that you can fix broken human behavior with stuff or a lack of stuff is a fallacy.

However, governments have always fooled the sheep into thinking otherwise. And plenty money is wasted on those supply-side fallacies.... An industry of sorts.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Nov 28, 2015 - 10:01pm PT

Nov 28, 2015 - 09:28pm PT

The illegal gun trade hemmoraging in this country can be stemmed.

Really.... How? The same way the heroin illegal drug trade has been, stemmed?

Ronny Rayguns and Ollie North gave us a pretty good blueprint for how governments can monopolize both industries to their ends...

The Chief

climber

Down the hill & across the Valley from......

Nov 28, 2015 - 10:10pm PT

Sorry Lorenzo.

The Maxican Cartel gun running business has been around a lot longer than Reygun and North ever could have been. And the quantity is 1000 times greater than either of the above could have ever sold to Iran.

Hell, even the current Fast and Furious DOJ has been at this illegal gun trade antics.

But of course, them facts are not, shhhssssh, supposed to be talked about.

philo

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2015 - 12:03am PT

To all "pro life" activists who would like to distance themselves from the "lone", "troubled", "isolated" man who terrorized Planned Parenthood staff and patients yesterday, I submit that this is but the latest attack that is part of a long history of "pro life" terrorism. Don't like the word "terrorism"? At what point does the term apply? Is it with death threat #500?

How many bombings would it take before we would call this "terrorism" directed at any other business? Seriously, how many of you (besides my PP colleagues) go to work every day knowing you and your customers are going to be harassed and threatened to the extent Planned Parenthood staff and patients are? (And to be clear, the stats presented here do not include the daily harassment in emails, on the phone, and in person.)

It took only a couple of anthrax letters directed at Congress before everyone clearly understood the acts as terrorist. Why, after 655 anthrax threats directed at abortion and family planning providers, are we still unable to define terrorism as it is?

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Nov 29, 2015 - 04:27am PT

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Nov 29, 2015 - 05:00am PT

Chief posted

Really.... How? The same way the heroin illegal drug trade has been, stemmed?

Heroin isn't available legally. Guns are. Heroin is the end product and it is consumed. Guns are not consumed, they are possessed and used. Require registration for guns and then hold the last person who registered the gun responsible as an accomplice in whatever crime was committed with the gun. Require background checks and registration any time the gun changes hands. If your gun is lost/stolen and you report it as such you won't be held responsible. This obviously won't stop someone who legally purchased a gun from using it in a crime but we appear to have accepted as a culture that tens of thousands of people dying to guns every year is just what it means to be the good 'ol US of A.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Nov 29, 2015 - 05:07am PT

The pen IS mightier than the sword, because the "the pen" (ideas spread around by whatever media) is what motivates and "justifies" the sword and the gun of oppression.

It's not just "radical Islam" and "radical Christianity" that is at fault.

WHENEVER a group of people use "the pen" to spread oppressive ideas and then become so enthralled with their "pens" that they escalate to "the gun" to ENFORCE their will opposing the natural rights of others--then you have tyranny.

The great irony is that many of you on this thread are so enthralled with your "pens" that you strive to band together to strip people of their right to self-defense. And YOU WILL (if you can) use the power of the GUN to enforce your wishes, because your own anti-gun legislation has no FORCE without the power of the GUN. So, you are hung on your own petard and don't even see it. As long as the GUN is used as YOU see fit and by proxies of YOUR choosing, it's a good gun. But people that simply don't agree with you should NOT have guns.

This nation was NOT founded on your principles or by people like you. And the FEW incidents you use as "justification" for your "principles" are in fact non-sequiturs.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Nov 29, 2015 - 05:15am PT

we appear to have accepted as a culture that tens of thousands of people dying to guns every year is just what it means to be the good 'ol US of A.

Nope! I, for one, don't "accept" it in YOUR terms.

I, for one, recognize the FACTS. And the FACTS are that if you take away black-on-black crime, gangland crime, drug-related crime (yeah, that "war on drugs" has been a real winner!), what you are left with are a few-thousand shootings in a nation of 1/3 of a billion people, not "tens of thousands."

See, the problem is that people ACTUALLY "accept" that blacks are just gonna keep on killing other blacks... by the thousands. The politicians DO NOT want to touch that lightening rod. So, they PRETEND that guns are the problem and that (somehow, miraculously) just the right slate of LAWS is gonna solve the "gun problem."

There IS no "gun problem." That's a radical oversimplification. If you want to fixate on every shooting, then you MUST consider each and every one as an isolated incident and try to establish the causal chains that produced it. It's not REALITY to wave a magic wand over "gun violence" and PRETEND that you understand it and that you can legislate it away.

crankster

Trad climber

No. Tahoe

Nov 29, 2015 - 07:28am PT

Crazy guy, radicalized by rightwing media, shoots up a Planned Parenthood clinic because he believed Hannity's bs, over-hyped, selectively edited videos about them selling "baby parts". That's what happened. Deal with it.