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Norton

Social climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 12:20pm PT

If he believed he was legal or not, shooting an African lion with a crossbow is just f'ing stupid and cruel.

If that's what happened anyway...

yes, that does appear to be what happened

because you see, the "sport" is to kill with a crossbow rather than a rifle

because that is more manly, more challenging

cruel? these mighty "hunters" don't give a damn if the animal suffer or not, obviously

then when the lion weakened he killed it with his rifle and then cut the head off and
stripped the skin/hair off the body

to be displayed as another of his "trophies" safely at home in Minnesota

repulsive? not if you "support" killing animals for fun, for "trophies" on your mantel

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 30, 2015 - 12:32pm PT

Jonnyrig wrote: Sounds like you're advocating for hand-to-hand combat with all species of game, you know... out of fairness. Are you one of those guys who climbs naked?

No I climb for fun and that is what these trophy hunters are doing...for fun. No greater good here, they are killing because it is fun and they like it and they can afford it. Look at most of these trophy hunter pictures and they have a big ass smiling face...they take pleasure in killing.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Jul 30, 2015 - 12:52pm PT

I'm not a hunter of animals but support plenty who are who do so in a manner that's responsible.

Responsible being ecologically sound, not overtly cruel, and not endangering indigenous people or other animals in the process.

Lions, last time I was in Africa, sure didn't seem endangered. With proper wildlife management practices to ensure the populations are stable and healthy.

But part of those management practices have to encompass proper means to harvest these creatures properly to prevent suffering. Even stateside we have requirements to kill whitetail deer. For instance it's illegal to kill deer with rimfire .22LR in CT....

Can't even imagine a crossbow with a Lion... just retarded...

Climberdude

Trad climber

Clovis, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 01:02pm PT

I have heard that this psychopath is on probation from a previous conviction in the United States. Seems like violating a similar law in a foreign country would be grounds for violation of probation. Just sayin'.

overwatch

climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 01:17pm PT

I'd let her bag me

MisterE

Gym climber

Being In Sierra Happy Of Place

Jul 30, 2015 - 01:32pm PT

My first thought was: "Why is Ed Harris pretending to be a dentist from Minnesota to go big game hunting?"

frank wyman

Mountain climber

montana

Jul 30, 2015 - 01:38pm PT

I hunt only in the winter,with a homemade knife of obsidian. Wearing only a loincloth. (which is why I'm unsucessful and cold)..

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 02:05pm PT

According to this http://www.ifaw.org/sites/default/files/Ecolarge-2013-200m-question.pdf

first posted by Jrig, btw. At first glance seems a ligit study.

zBrown

Ice climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 02:06pm PT

Did anyone mention that the lion was very probably lured out of the preserve where it was protected by meat tied onto a car, then shot?

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 02:09pm PT

tourism vs GDP same study

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 02:17pm PT

And, trying to answer the $200 M question. Where did that number come from?

These findings would suggest that the $200M number is "soft" at best. This includes estimates from private hunting ranches apparently.

Edit; When I looked up the Professional Hunters Association of South Africa website, they now have revenue estimates along with backup.

One thing for sure is that this is a complicated story and the actual "conservation good" done may very well depend upon the country. I mean, South Africa seems to have some positive things going on. But overall it does seem to be a small portion of each countries GDP.

little Z

Trad climber

un cafetal en Naranjo

Jul 30, 2015 - 02:43pm PT

Burkina Faso does 72 million $ in tourism? can't wait to pack my bags for Ouagadougou.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 02:56pm PT

Cragman, I've repeatedly tried to raise the discussion above hand-wringing
but to no avail.

At first glance seems a ligit study.

Any study is highly suspect given that you usually get what you pay for
but especially in Africa where any 'data' is more than suspect. Furthermore,
as noted previously, it is highly doubtful that any big game revenues find
their way into pockets other than corrupt officials and bwanas of varying
stripes. Even the most 'eco' of eco-tourist dollars probably rarely finds
its way into real Africans' pockets in any meaningful manner.

Norton

Social climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 03:00pm PT

Did anyone mention that the lion was very probably lured out of the preserve where it was protected by meat tied onto a car, then shot?

yes in fact the lion was "lured" by the dentist's paid professional so it would come out
and be within range for the crossbow

but the dentist got what he wanted!

he got the pleasure of demonstrating his crossbow skill and indeed stuck an arrow in him

how cool is that?

then when the lion weakened enough he finished him off with a rifle shot

then cut off his head and neatly sliced away the lion's coat all to bring back home

this is what hunting should be all about, the deep pleasure of killing for sport

nothing wrong with that!

oh, and of course gotta sweep all those distasteful details aside and instead talk about
all the good stuff real hunters do, like "cull the herd' and part of their hunting fees
go for "wildlife habitat preservation", because you know, that's the important stuff

fvck you

Ghost Bear

Social climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 03:08pm PT

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Jul 30, 2015 - 03:09pm PT

The reaction is so inordinate and overwrought that I have to laugh

It always makes me shake my head and laugh when I see people make these kinds of statements

Oh hey I can see how that article would appeal to us humble types who enjoy laughing at other people and their inferior perspectives. :-)

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 03:22pm PT

Huh. You all are funny. I suppose the fact that I have not been really reading all this thread has me totally out of the loop.

The dentist should have his day in court if it comes to that. From what I have heard about the guy, he is not a nice person generally speaking. The death threats and all are crazy people talk. This nation is partly based on the rule of law, not mob mentality. The other thing you can do is boycott his business. If he has broken the law, he should get his day in court, like his guides are getting.

But I am particularly interested in learning about how the big game industry operates over there and how much they actually put back into conservation, and how much they put back into local communities. I'm not convinced it's like DU or QU, which I do support.