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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jul 24, 2015 - 01:10pm PT
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Ban life.
It's that pesky life that living things have that causes no end of problems for other living things.
When non-living things are all that's left, all problems will disappear.
If you don't have the guts to REALLY take the high road, then all complaints and "fixes" are really just pandering half-measures that can only lead to more problems and complaints and "fixes." Rinse and repeat.
Ban LIFE or quit complaining and "fixing."
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 24, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
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Squishy is right, it is just like with cell phones, there are already distraction while driving laws on the books that the cops could use to regulate cell phone use while driving instead of making a big deal to come up with some new law. Enforce what we've already got.
That said though some of squishy's verbiage in his posts doesn't really seem designed to engender support.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jul 24, 2015 - 03:52pm PT
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If it's not a drone, it's a gunman. If it's not a gunman, it's a knife-wielding psycho.
Or it's a negligent, drunk, or texting driver.
Or it's lung cancer from second-hand smoke.
Or it's a bad rap anchor.
Or it's a slip and fall accident.
Or it's an unlucky fall on an "easy" lead.
Or it's equipment failure at the gym.
Or it's skin cancer.
Or it's WHATEVER other thing you never saw coming, despite your best efforts.
Life is a terminal disease. The expectation of "safety" or even predictability has us wringing our hands when "things don't go right," as if we have any good reason to expect that things will "go right." The fact that they often/usually do go as we expect does not justify the inference to future expectations nor to hand-wringing. Whatever gets "fixed" just opens the door to something else taking people out in unexpected ways.
Take TSA checkpoints at the airports. Ridiculous! I mean, downright absurd!
95% failure rate at catching potential problems, and if I was planning to take out tons of people, I wouldn't even TRY to get anything past the checkpoint. My "target audience" would be gathered in countless choke points all over the country, as the picture shows. A terrorist would be stupid to try to get a bomb past TSA, even though his/her odds of succeeding would be VERY high! Instead, you go for the non-checkpointed choke points that are forced BY the checkpoints themselves.
Then what? How do you "fix" that threat? Have a checkpoint PRIOR to the TSA checkpoint? Okay... new choke point. Rinse and repeat.
There IS no safety, and the "fixing" is ALWAYS done AFTER an incident, which just produces the potential for a new and different incident.
Please, seriously, quit complaining and "fixing" things. Let's leave a TINY SHRED of real freedom (along with individual responsibility) before I die. Once I'm gone, feel free to "fix," legislate, and "solve" everything you wish.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 24, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
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BAN CELL PHONES. it's not a matter of if but when someone will get killed while texting.
And when they do I'm going to return here and give an emphatic "I TOLD YOU SO!".
cuz, you know, it's your fault those people died.
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jul 24, 2015 - 04:55pm PT
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Sh#t damn! DMT sure has been grumpy since he started tapping the LScarlett!! Maybe pump the brakes for a while big guy and go fly a drone or something, nawmean??
And I should know, CIRJB!!!!!!!!!!9988!!!!!1111
HAHAHA! Aw man, you have not been reading enough DMT if you think he's been grumpy since he's been 'tapping' LScarlett!
He's been gifted with the grump far far longer than that. From what I've observed, nothing brings it out like the Taco!
You WISH you could blame it all on a woman. Nope, gender has nothing to do with it this time...
It's all you boys!
Cheers
LS
ps - maybe it's because he misses climbing?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 24, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
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Nope, gender has nothing to do with it this time...
If IRJB sez it's that way then it's just that way.
Those the rules - click Terms of Services and it's in there somewhere ;-)
sounds like you are somehow involved with UAVs? if so, mind sharing how?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 25, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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That said though some of squishy's verbiage in his posts doesn't really seem designed to engender support.
That's just to troll dingus...someone has too..
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 25, 2015 - 09:31pm PT
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And I'm all good with support..
We have international news propagating every day into new audiences..
Oh and if one little race has your panties in a bunch, just you wait: http://droneworlds.com/
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 08:54am PT
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Wow, I hadn't read this thread cause I figured it would be the usual Monkeyslingingcrapatthebars style of prose. I was wrong. Lots of good and interesting info from everyone.
Thanks!
DMT, the Engine makers test their product design by throwing frozen poultry into the spinning fan blades to make sure the engines don't disintegrate. Of the millions of birds out flying around, it takes a bunch of them to get sucked into the engine all at one time to get a plane down. It's super rare although there are flocks of birds all over out there. Given the millions of birds out there, vs the 100's of drones, I think your angst is misplaced. I routinely see the huge Pterodactyl-like Great Blue herons at our airport. They can't make them stop hunting there although they do have visible cannon like noisemakers.
Ban birds, not drones.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 09:52am PT
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Instead of wasting time online...go find the guys responsible and earn $75,000...
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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you have more time invested in this thread than anyone else
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 27, 2015 - 11:09am PT
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do you have a link to that squishy?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jul 27, 2015 - 11:34am PT
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Instead of wasting time online...go find the guys responsible and earn $75,000...
I bet it was a driver who's car was stuck on the freeway..
what about the tow truck drivers and the amount they charged each driver..
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 11:44am PT
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you have more time invested in this thread than anyone else
Yup...because it's something I'm passionate about and fight for, hence my involvement with the national competition, AMA, FAA and FCC...
My passion for it comes from the freedom and feelings of flight. I have no problem spending time explaining it, it is not a waste of time for me, I enjoy spreading the news about drones and fighting ignorance on the subject..
"There is no sport equal to that which aviators enjoy while being carried through the air on great white wings." — Wilbur Wright
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 27, 2015 - 12:19pm PT
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Will, it should be obvious why he noted the AMA. As far as the FCC goes we're required to have at least a technical to operate in FPV or in the 433Mhz band (which I do for my radio). The FAA is also the ones with the long term mission of writing the regs for all of us.
and though no squishy may not be a pilot I'm starting my pilots training this week specifically because of this industry.
jus' sayin'
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 12:24pm PT
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Cracking me up, hecapsyainurdumper
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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That's where you are wrong. The mindset and immersion of flying a drone at high speed requires you to be there in your mind and "feel" the flight, without doing so you will not be successful. This may look easy, but trust me, you cannot just walk up grab a TX and do it. I have trained FAA licensed pilots to do this and they say it's harder than flying a real aircraft and it's harder than flying a traditional line of sight RC airplane as well...Keep in mind we actually fly our craft, those seen in the news media causing trouble are GPS guided noob bots that any tom, dick or harry can buy at Frys and cause trouble with. The drone community I am apart of, hates the accessibility of such craft and the fact that it takes no skill to pilot (guide) them.
Granted we are sitting safety on the ground when we fly, but it ain't a video game either, there's no re-spawning, the air is real, the physics are real and the immersion makes it very real..
Have you ever tried to explain to someone why you climb? Or what those moments on the wall "feel" like, that forced mediation to hide the fear inside? Well, trying to explain the feeling of flying these craft is about as hard as explaining that, and I know you understand that..surfers have to go through the same problem...this is all about the ride...trust me, it's awesome and worth it, I wish I could take you all for a ride to show you..
Here's some of my personal videos as example...but they do not do it justice..you gotta put the goggles on..
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We wait till golden hour when the light is right, we watch the weather for stability, wind and high lift days..we design and hot-wire cut our own wings, build our own power systems and hand made antennas...we watch the RF noise floor and we coordinate a narrow range of RF channels so we can do it together in groups, just for a few moments of "the freedom of flight". Of all the communities in this world, the traditional rock climbing tribe should get it...it's an exercise in futility for an experience...
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
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An aviator, is what I am, measured by the English definition of the word...lol...
I also use the very same airspace as those you define as aviators. I am also a free citizen of the US and have every right to that airspace as they. Regulation must accommodate me, safety, as much as it accommodates all users...such is the American way..
Common sense regulation will be a reality, but drones and pilots of drones like myself will not be banned. In fact we usher in the next technological revolution that will build jobs and industry giving the US a chance to excel. Thus far, we have failed. Mostly because throw backs have a problem with the word "drone"...While France, Germany, China, Australia, even countries in Africa are beating us in the drone industry...think about that a moment...we are the losers right now, collectively...in a new revolution that some of you fail to even acknowledge or have any knowledge of...and it's been going on for about 10 years under your noses...discussions like this, in new audiences, is what the drone pilots need to do. We need to stop the stupid consumers of noob drones at walmart from ruining it for those who know what they are doing, I welcome regulation and want it, but not if it infringes on my rights to further the technology and uses of the tool.
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