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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Lining the pockets of capitalists is socialism. I see now.
The people wanted free healthcare for the "poor," and the insurance companies "stepped up" to say, "We'll 'cover' that. Yuk, yuk, yuk."
It was sold as benefiting everybody in flagrantly socialistic fashion, it benefited only the insurance companies, and it totally screwed the middle class.
It's ironic that NOW guys like you call it "capitalism," when in the thread about Obumblecare last year, guys like you were arguing socialistically and claiming that it was a "good" sort of socialism. You know, like us all going together to pave a street or have a fire department.
Anyway you cut it, Obumblecare is the first time in history that at the federal level every American has been required to purchase a product. And that "purchase," flatly called a "tax," was explicitly intended to help the "poor" afford health coverage (which it actually doesn't do). So, this was a "tax" explicitly designed to redistribute wealth, which just is socialism.
The fact that the only true winners were the insurance companies should come as NO surprise, since it is OBUMBLEcare, after all. The government cannot be trusted with such things as taking from the "rich" to give to the "poor".
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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madbolter1 is up to about 32 posts and perhaps 3000 words. He is approaching kook status at mach speed.
Donini in one post and 24 words has said more.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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kookbolter1...give credit where credit is due...it's called Romneycare...rj
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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It was sold as benefiting everybody in flagrantly socialistic fashion, it benefited only the insurance companies, and it totally screwed the middle class.
You got that right.
It's ironic that NOW guys like you call it "capitalism," when in the thread about Obumblecare last year, guys like you were arguing socialistically and claiming that it was a "good" sort of socialism.
Please, feel free to continue to put words in my mouth. Let me know when you're done arguing with yourself and we'll continue our discussion.
You assume a lot, and being a PhD you know what happens when you assume.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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I should add that I'm not really an expert concerning kooks so just take that as an unqualified opinion.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Donini has a wealth of world class experience at the highest levels of alpinism and cutting edge rockclimbing. He's rather poor in his grasp of the rights to self determinism that propelled him to such heights.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Ahh, so now it's "kook," is it?
Name-calling... always the last resort.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Donini has a wealth of world class experience at the highest levels of alpinism and cutting edge rockclimbing. He's rather poor in his grasp of the rights to self determinism that propelled him to such heights.
Bears repeating. I was trying to think of a way to craft that pithy statement, so I'll just bump yours.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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He's rather poor in his grasp of the rights to self determinism that propelled him to such heights.
That's just totally wrong. He's proven in his postings here on the Taco that he's very much in tune to the world as it is.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Your factoids about Eisenhower are largely not even "left"
So I suppose if the Obama administration was charging and publically justifing a 90% income tax on every dollar earned over 400 grand, and a 50% corporate tax, so they could spend the money on social programs, then you would vigorously defend these policies as largely "not even "left"" ? Or maybe you have one standard for Obama, and a different one for Eisenhower?
But this one is the gem:
Obumblecare ... (is) akin to the creation of Social Security, which has taken decades to be recognized as the pyramid scheme it always was.
But then our "not even "left"" president reminds us:
Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs ...they are stupid
Ok, you're right, I agree. Eisenhower is "not even "left"". But where does that put you on the political/economic spectrum?
Oh, I get it. Willing to blame the Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Dubya administrations for weighing down the American people with problems due to
decades of liberalism
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
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I suppose it depends on how you define kook - admittedly not a scientific term but simply what came to mind. If it would be of interest to you, I might try to explain what I mean by the term. I have no doubt my definition is not the same as yours. If it doesn't interest you I'm fine with that.
I think you are up to about 34 of 145 posts in this thread.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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I've thought about this for longer than is warranted and think crackpot might be more accurate.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Just pitiful.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nah, good folks like you remind me what a waste of time it all is.
And Banquo just made the most compelling argument of all when he called to my attention that I keep bumping this lame thread. I certainly do NOT want to do that... silly me.
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.
Lao Tzu
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 24, 2015 - 08:03am PT
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What capitalism hath wrought.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/capitalism-is-killing-americas-morals-our-future-2015-05-22?page=1
Yes, capitalism is working ... for the Forbes Global Billionaires whose ranks swelled from 322 in 2000 to 1,826 in 2015. Billionaires control the vast majority of the world’s wealth, 67 billionaires already own half the world’s assets; by 2100 we’ll have 11 trillionaires, while American worker income has stagnated for a generation.
But for the vast majority of the world, capitalism is a failure. Over a billion live on less than two dollars a day. In his “Capital in the Twenty-First Century,” economist Thomas Piketty warns the inequality gap is toxic, dangerous. As global population explodes from 7 billion to 10 billion by 2050, food production will deteriorate. Pope Francis adds, “Inequality is the root of social ills,” fueling more hunger, revolutions, wars.
His point is that we are now a market society where everything is for sale. Nothing is worth more than it's monetary value.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 24, 2015 - 09:57am PT
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I liked John M's post...He speaks from experience not like some of the trustafarians and mental speculators that post here...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 25, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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I think that the problem with some of these "Political Libertarians" is that they grew up in a Christian upbringing and Christian schooling that taught them this fake US Historical and Constitutional science, since it's completely based on faith and right wing think tank memes.
First of all, they think evolution is untrue, and the world works by magic.
This is their justification for the libertarian meme, the Good Christians pray for help and are saved by God, so they don't need the Gov's help.
The bad people that God does not favor will suffer, but deservedly so, so us good Christians can write them off as not worthy of help.
If you are rich, that proves God favors you, if you are poor and suffering, you are a bad person, so you can just rot in hell.
It's all very simple when you believe in the Christian magic.
And there is no changing these people's minds, they have faith, and that is all that's needed.
The Madhatter is a perfect example of a scientist that is deep in cognitive bias, he writes paragraph after paragraph trying to persuade himself that he is correct, while the rest of just laugh at the silliness of his premise.
First of all, these things the libertarians promote have been tried, and they failed miserably, because the rich take over and poor get poorer.
Millions would die or revolt if we just cut off aid to them in America, would that be OK?, it would for the Madhatter, but not for the rest of us.
What ever happened to the Great America, well it's been taken down already by the Conservatives/libertarians that would rather have people fight for low paying jobs and where the corporations just offshore their labor and get richer. 60,000 factories have been moved to China after W. Bush gave them a tax break to move. Can you believe it, you pay lower taxes if you move your factory to China than if you leave it in America.
We are still waiting for God to save all the Good Christians, they are suffering just as bad as the heathens, the magic never came to help anyone.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 25, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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In Chile, people make money by getting tipped for filling in the pot holes on the roads by the drivers of said roads
That's their privatized road maintenance plan, pay as you drive to the beggars, digging holes and then filling them up for you
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