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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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BTW,
Your drinking water is filtered thru processed coke. (activated carbon) although it's usually derived from bituminous coal, primarily from China or anthracite from those evil underground mines in Virginia.
Petroleum derived carbon is too valuable for metallurgical processing and electrode carbon. The particle shape makes it better for those uses than producing carbon for water purification and odor control, but chemically it's the same thing, Carbon.
Right now there's a world wide shortage of filtration carbon. The two largest suppliers of it have already sold out their production capacity for the entire year and are not taking new orders.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Interesting info on filtration carbon, TGT. About 40 years ago, I was working as an analyst in the corporate planning department of a manufacturer of filtration equipment, and we were evaluating the possible acquisition of a major producer of activated charcoal. We concluded the ROI was inferior to other options. It looks like we may have been myopic . . . (perhaps tying into Tvash's comments, above).
John
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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I've switched to a carbon free diet to reduce emissions.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I've switched to a carbon free diet to reduce emissions.
Good one, Tvash! Now everyone in my office is trying to figure out what has me chortling when I'm otherwise supposed to be putting out a rush project.
I suppose if all humanity followed that diet, we could also solve our overpopulation problems, too.
John
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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The Canadians just approved the line 9 reversal, allowing the pipeline to ship synthetic crude to the east coast. This will encourage more growth of the oil sands, will be interesting to see what the folks in the east have to say
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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All the carbon my body needs is contained in my cold, black cinder of a heart.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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It's also used extensively for drinking water filtration. That's the bulk of the filtration market.
All the MWD plants use anthracite filters.
https://vendors.planetbids.com/NETConnect/ebidresults.cfm?BidNo=300&Name=Filtration+Coal+and+Sand
Last bid result 670 tons @ $388 per ton
2 Coal, Anthracite, Uniformity Coefficient Not More Than 1.40, 1.00 To 1.10 Millimeter Effective Size in accordance to MWD Specification EF-SPEC/11 Weymouth Unit attached. Ton 670 $388.62 $260,375.40
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Keep up the good fight Karen. I support your efforts here.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Likewise.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Hey, Karen, F*#k off!!!!
Focus on the marine mammals. Would you rather buy Saudi oil or Canadian oil?
Pick one. Stop making stupid statements that aren't based in facts. Saudi Arabia, or Canada?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 10, 2014 - 10:55am PT
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Keystone supporters often frame the argument this way - Saudi or Canada? In other words, Terrorists or Our Friendly Next Door Neighbors?
The reality is that the US imports petroleum products from over 50 countries. The share of those imports from Canada and OPEC (11 states - not all of them Middle Eastern) is about equal at just under a third each. Saudi Arabia itself supplies only about 12% of our petroleum products imports.
The Keystone opposition has decided that preventing climate disaster trumps whatever geopolitical concerns, real or imagined, are involved with oil importation. That strikes me as a reasonable set of priorities - favoring the health of the entire biosphere over...what, exactly? Last time I checked Saudi Arabia, despite its regressive domestic policies, has been a stable country that has been friendly to the US for many decades.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 10, 2014 - 11:05am PT
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There are 2.6 MILLION miles of oil and gas pipelines in the USA
Keystone adds 862.
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MH2
climber
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Mar 10, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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Then not building it shouldn't be a big deal.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 10, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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You guys are all being suckered by one billionare donor that wants to maintain his railroad's monopoly on moving Canadian crude.
The crude won't stop shipping. It will just go on his trains.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 10, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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Another strawman propaganda item designed to 'guilt trip' opponents of climate destroying oil sands production. Keystone will add capacity - oil and dilbit will ship by both the existing means (trains owned by Evil Robber Barons That Are Far, Far Worse Than the Kochs Will Ever Be), AND the new pipeline. It's not either/or. Strip mining in the oil sands will increase accordingly.
The length of Keystone is also meaningless by itself. What Keystone does is to connect the Oil Sands province with refineries in the Gulf, Chicago, and Midwest - increasing access to refining capacity for both crude and finished petroleum products from the oil sands province.
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