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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Our brains evolved because we ate meat.
Grew larger figuring out how to get more meat.
haven't studied it, but I believe this to be true, as I heard an evolutionary biologist make this point without the usual fire-and-brimstone associated with a guy just guessing or wanting it to be true (the guy tossed it off as an aside; it wasn't germane to the talk he was giving, and he didn't go off on a spiel). And by the way, my diet is 98% vegetarian (i.e. I have chicken or steak maybe twice a month).
Consuming beans or peas results in higher intakes of fiber, protein, folate, zinc, iron and magnesium with lower intakes of saturated fat and total fat.
Environmental Benefits
"beans or peas" have greater protein and iron than meat? making this statement is quite literally incredible. You have no credibility.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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America is fat becoming a failed state in the OP facts.
A turn away from most efficient/profitable methods to the most efficient/most sustainable methods of everything... not just farming.
But that is America... it thinks it does no wrong and it will not be given pointers on how to work with the planet in order to provide the most food most sustainably.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Jul 22, 2014 - 06:20am PT
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If you want to slow climate change, white meat may be the right meat, according to two studies that tally the environmental effect of the beef industry.
Raising cattle in the U.S. requires 28 times as much land and 11 times as much irrigation water, and pumps at least five times as much planet-warming gases into Earth's atmosphere than producing the equivalent calories of dairy products, poultry, pork or eggs, according to a study published online Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
And from 1961 to 2010, worldwide emissions of planet-warming gases from livestock increased 51%, with the bulk of the increases coming from developing nations that are rapidly adopting the U.S. model of meat consumption, according to another study published Monday in the journal Climatic Change.
“For people, the obvious answer is: whenever possible, replace beef with something else," said Gidon Eshel, a geophysicist at Bard College and lead author of the study in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. "If you really need it to be from animal sources, that’s still OK. You can still have bacon and eggs and whatever you want. As long as it’s not beef, you have always made a significant step forward, because beef is so much more intensive than the rest.”
The beef industry, not surprisingly, is not impressed.
"The PNAS study represents a gross over-simplification of the complex systems that make up the beef value chain, a point which the authors acknowledge," Kim Stackhouse-Lawson, director of sustainability research for the National Cattlemen's Beef Assn., said in a statement. "The fact is the U.S. beef industry produces beef with lower greenhouse gas emissions than any other country."
Indeed, emissions from developed countries, such as the United States, topped out in 1970 and have decreased 23%, according to the study published in Climatic Change. But emissions more than doubled in developing countries, largely the result of domestic consumption, said Ken Caldeira, a Carnegie Institution ecologist and co-author of the study, which estimated production of methane and nitrous oxide by 11 livestock populatons in 237 countries.
Beef cattle produced more than half the emissions, followed by dairy cattle (17%), sheep (9%), buffalo (7%), pigs (5%) and goats (4%), according to the Climate Change study. The largest increases came in Congo, the Central African Republic and Oman, the study found.
"More and more of the developing world is adopting the bad habits of the developed world,” Caldeira said.
Caldeira said his study amounts to a broad "rule of thumb" estimate using rough emission factors developed by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But its conclusions parallel those of several other studies, according to the report.
The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences study took a narrower but deeper look at the U.S. industrialized food chain and considered more factors, including the effects of grazing, raising feed crops and the use of irrigaton water.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jul 22, 2014 - 09:10am PT
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want to slow climate change?
stop having kids.
the OP has a point about meat consumption and the toll it takes, but it is minuscule compared to reproducing yourselff, and again, and again...
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Jul 22, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
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want to slow climate change?
stop having kids.
Absolutely f*#king right!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 22, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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The truth about meat is that meat tastes good. "Bon apetit" is French for "Crispy bacon is good shittt."
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Why do I have incisors? What do the teeth of an animal tell you about it's proper diet?
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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karen roseme
want to slow climate change?
stop having kids.
Absolutely f*#king right!
If only your parents were so wise.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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For most that I know, vegetarianism is an ethical issue first and foremost. I still eat meat, I actually ate red meat for the first time in two months today. Not the best experience, though I was craving it and it tasted great.
We are omnivores, but when science and understanding of health progresses to a point where we don't need meat to maintain a healthy, balanced diet, I'm left wondering why I even dabble in meat.
Yeah, it tastes great when prepared well. But, so do so many other things that weren't mammals before they were consumed.
I'll continue to eat meat on a rare occasion for the time being, but savory delicious food can be found from plants just as easily as it can from animals.
I'm pretty sure that it's cultural conditioning. Try a veggie diet for a week and check back. Legumes, grains, veggies, there are so many amazing flavors to show your palate. You may miss chewing on a piece of meat, but like I said, it's cultural conditioning.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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No Animal should live like this!
How could any animal living in these conditions be healthy for you to eat?
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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No Animal should live like this!
Looks like California.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Nice link Goatboy
These are veal crates.
Most of these calves will stay in these crates their entire lives until they are slaughtered to make veal
Indications are that calves confined in crates experience "chronic stress" & require more medication than calves living in more spacious conditions, thereby making veal the most likely meat to contain drug residues
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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I don't know anyone that eats veal. What's your point Karen?
Are you only capable of seeing black and white in this discussion?
The past 100 years of agriculture cattle, chicken and pig farming is abhorrent, no one is arguing that fact. You are lumping all meat eaters into some moral low ground category, trying to guilt and shame us that eating meat is wrong while ignoring the abundant options of sustainable and healthy practices.
You will win more people over to your line of thought if you realize the human race will never stop eating meat. You're just going to have to deal with that fact. If you want to help, you can educate folks on supporting farmers that provide an alternative to the cruelty caused by the corporate meat industry.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Aug 14, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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well Put khanom,
I guess I'll say it again:
You have choices when you buy food. You can buy vegetables grown by industrial operations -- conventional or organic, which are unsustainable and cause massive environmental damage. Or you can buy them from a source you know and are capable of assessing as sustainable and causing minimal environmental impact. You can buy vegetables that are grown thousands of miles away or you can buy them from a local farm.
What is true for your veggies is also true for your meat.
ANYTHING you buy in a grocery store, be it Vons or Whole Paycheck, is produced unsustainably on an industrial scale. Period.
My point Goatboy is that people should know how the animal lived that they are eating.
How can any animal that has suffered so much be good for anyone?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 14, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
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My mother thought that eating a steak for breakfast would help me in an upcoming swimming competition in high school days.I liked the thought and it was a really good steak, broiled with onions.
It doesn't matter what the nutritional dynamics are at 17 years old because you are a voracious appetite on two legs that eats anything put in front of you.
And swimming worked it all off, yet still I had spare energy.
The truth about old guys reminiscing: "I have never eaten goat meat and don't intend to do so.". --GBS
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Aug 14, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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I have a butcher in Boise, that I go to. Everything is local AND real. No grocery store meat in MY freezer.
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