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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 18, 2013 - 03:04am PT
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i don't know what happened, but the tree in the picture is a tree trunk, not a banch. look at the straightness as compared to the branch off and then turn towards the sun nature of the branches.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Oct 18, 2013 - 08:56am PT
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This whole thing seems like a hoax.
The picture looks old and faded, very retro and film like, not digital.
Also, unless the tree or branch was moved it was felled towards the cliff, not away from the cliff. If you can fell something like that towards the cliff it's unlikely it could have been in the way of a climb.
That there is a FB image capture with a FB poster's name means nothing. Does anyone remember the forged Killian documents that ended Dan Rather's career at CBS? That FB image capture could have been easily fabricated.
Without corroborating details maybe it's best to adopt the approach of "innocent until proven guilty".
Just sayin'.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:08am PT
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Yeah, I'm kinda starting to agree..^^
Kinda weird we have seen zero facts and zero first hand accounts no response by any eye witness. All we have is one person asking a question and a post by one person stating a tree was cut to facilitate a photo of a new climb. The photo does seem oddly 1970's. As far as I can tell this entire thread has been running on those fumes.
I'm a conservationist, so I totally reject any unnecessary tree cutting. If it really happened I say burn the witch... but so far... we can't even find a witch . We need to to toss him in the vat and see if he sinks or floats before sending out the mob. (I know, I know.. this is the Taco.. we crucify first, ask questions later.)
Side note.. it really does look like that climb has a bolt every 5 feet next to a crack and the spray is totally lame. Could someone just be pissed off at this guy and stirring the pot?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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i know of a prominent figure
in tahoe who hung his retired
shoes on the crown sprig
of a ancient tree at sugarloaf.
open eyes might spy them.
but, jesus. falling one of those
proud junipers for a finger
crack or crimps or whatever
line they sought is pretty
shitty.
i guess i've done some
shitty jestures towards
my kindom-kind, too,
so whom i to criticize?
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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:26am PT
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Yep, Norwegian pretty much sums it up.
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clinker
Trad climber
California
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:27am PT
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Was the tree that ugly? I'll bet they have financed abortions or oil drilling too. Whoever cut down a tree in the wilderness for their own convenience is an idiot. In restitution volunteer for reforesting one of the areas decimated by fire recently or give a fire crew a case of brew at the least and find forgivness.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:30am PT
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Yep, Norwegian pretty much sums it up.
Yup- he's good at that.
Anyone who lives in the area actually care to walk out there with a camera and report back?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 18, 2013 - 09:35am PT
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*hand palm* ^^^^
Oy..don't get me started on boyscout leaders. There's a guy that needs to be tossed on the barbie. What an as#@&%e... and there's video proof!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:00am PT
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Chipping has been going on for decades. It’s a huge part of our sports history, and even though everyone seems all enlightened now, people still do it, and chances are people will keep doing it somewhere as long as the sport is going on. Blah Blah Blah. Does everyone who is crucifying Ivan online right now know that some of the most famous and iconic climbs in the world are chipped, glued or otherwise manufactured in some way?
If altering the rock in order to send the sick new proj is acceptable, I doubt he would think twice about cutting down a tree. Trees grow back, right?
It seems perfectly feasible. That doesn't make it true, but obviously someone cut the tree. Fingers be pointing and the accused ain't denying. My guess is the original post got taken down because stupid sh#t like that will get crags closed. Best handled 1 on 2.
Glad to see the outrage. Sad to see some don't give a fuk when selfish actions like this threaten access for all of us.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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If this is a hoax, Bernie may be the hoaxee rather than the hoaxer. Did he take the pic himself? If so, when, where and under what circumstances?
Or did someone else send him the pic or a link to the pic online somewhere?
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:37am PT
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Ethan's a stand up guy. Give him the benefit of the doubt until there are actually some facts instead of some suspect photos that looked doctored. Even the original/initial fb photo looks weird / suspicious to me.
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Ryan Tetz
Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Hmm more American speculation and finger pointing political correctness culture with minimal facts at all. Next thing they will be calling them racist. Bound to happen occasionally that trees come down sometimes in the process of climbing rope work or get cut by climbers accustomed to it as normal. There are many climbing areas developed by chainsaw extensively. I've even been to one where local ethic was 5 gallon buckets of bleach followed up by gas powered belt sander.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:42am PT
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^yeah, thats not the local ethic here
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:45am PT
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Post #160 and no FACTS yet.
Sponsors are highly sensitive to their public image (obvious statement #1) and can exert influence on the people they sponsor, because $$ is involved (obvious statement #2).
If and when real FACTS come to light, people can choose to express their opinions directly to the sponsors, who can then choose to try to influence the behavior of the athlete (or not), or to continue to sponsor the athlete (or not).
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:49am PT
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dis iz da interbebz,
facts? we do't need no stinkin facts
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Blizzard
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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if you guys want facts and live in the tahoe area lets get out there this weekend and see what happend. I live in south lake tahoe and know where this crag is however i do not drive. if you are interested please contact me 714 742 8907 i work until 5pm today.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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hahahaaaa... remember that video of Ivan? Remember how some people weren't convinced it was him doing the chipping, despite the video, other videos with chipping tools in them, and plenty of witnesses? Sometimes fluffers will defend the objects of their affection regardless of the facts.
Blizzard, I'm free Sun.
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Blizzard
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 18, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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oh and since we are on the topic of ethics, regarding trees and such, what is okay to cut and what is not. I agree that chopping a juniper tree is bad, but what about some willows or alders at the base of a cool boulder. I am wondering because a bouldering crew of well known climbers cut a whole lot of trees recently about 2 weeks ago at a spot that is being developed. Is this okay? the pile of debris left over looked to be about the size of a medium burn pile. The area is right next to the PCT and the dead brush will soon be an eye sore. The guys doing the work are well known and experienced so they probably know what they are doing but i as a novice have no clue and i seek the knowledge of super topo users thanks guys
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 18, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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oxymoron:
and i seek the knowledge of super topo users
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