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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jesse, it is the law, and for good reason. Pull your head out.
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John M
climber
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So what is your solution Jesse? Leave them in the home?
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John M
climber
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I had to help take 3 kids out of a home where the mess was worse then this. Much much worse. The filth was appalling. The mom was mentally ill.
What do we do with those kids? The foster parent situation is borderline psychotic at times. So who is going to take them?
Let me know when you have a solution. I'm all ears.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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JM, you're missing my point. Corruption. When they inflate allegations and make false allegation, and minimize or ignore parental positives. Our family are survivors of inflated and false allegations, and minimized positives. Corruption, pure and simple. And, maybe even unintentional. Like Stalin's Organ.
I don't have any quick solutions to the corruption. The legitimate cases are just that: legitimate and critical. As for their pay, it is an abomination. I plan to volunteer when time allows.
I think we agree on nearly everything, except possibly how the government machine of this system is broken.
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John M
climber
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I think we agree on nearly everything, except possibly how the government machine of this system is broken.
No.. I know it has lots of problems. I was just asking you to try and see it from the other side. I have a real problem with people like Blue who scream about how terrible the situation is and their solution is to defund it. So I am trying to counter balance his voice.
There are tons of cases where it seems obvious that the child should be taken out of the home, yet there are not enough good solutions. You pointed out a case with 18 kids in a foster home. Who knows if that was really bad. I know a family that raised 12 kids of their own and adopted 3 more. They are the most wonderful people you could imagine.
So what do you do with a child when you know it has to come out of a home but there aren't enough foster homes available?
Then there are the cases where its not so obvious, but we have people who make 30,000 dollars a year trying to make a wise decision. I know for a fact that there are very good CPS workers. I also know that they despair because of how overloaded the system is and how many lower quality workers end up taking the job because there are not enough high quality people who want to work long hours for low pay. Along with having to take the scorn of people like Blue.
I know that money isn't the only solution and can even cause problems, but if you want the best military, the best air traffic control, the best fire department, the best school system, then you have to spend money to attract the best people.
Right now we don't spend enough money on social services, so it attracts the lazy and incompetent who don't have the internal resources to make wise decisions. It also attracts the giving who really do want to help, and are willing to work for less pay and less prestige in order to try and help kids, but they are outnumbered and often overwhelmed by the incompetent.
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John M
climber
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I applaud Blue for actually going and doing something. Even if I believe he is misguided. Some attention might lead to more people caring about this problem. Of course that same attention could close the whole shebang, then what will we do about endangered kids.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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Take ANYONE out of a hospital WITHOUT properly checking out and you SHOULD have cops on your ass. If it is a child with a heart condition, yeah, you could very well be endangering that child's life. Endangering a child's life = CPS gets involved, that's the law! Blurring is an idiot.
Again, you geniuses failed to gather the facts of the story, but passed judgement anyway, just because you are mean and hateful people who only exist to tear me down.
Did you read all the FACTs? Or just what you wanted to read? Who is the idiot?
A second doctor, the cops, and CPS cleared them before another group pounced on them.
Apologies will be accepted if you're man enough, weschrist.
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John M
climber
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Go get em Blue. Let me know when you volunteer as a child advocate.. Or a foster parent
Edit: you never apologize for your behavior. In fact, you boast about being a dick.
Time to get on the sharp end of the stick Blue. Go volunteer as a child advocate. Show those CPS people how to do their job.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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he couldn't pass the piss test
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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I applaud Blue for actually going and doing something. Even if I believe he is misguided. Some attention might lead to more people caring about this problem. Of course that same attention could close the whole shebang, then what will we do about endangered kids.
Despite being a "hateful right-winger", I do indeed care about kids. I have one, and there was one abused by the people taxed to "care for them" here.
They did the opposite! The damaged a family and it's relationship to their son.
They f*#ked up!
They abused their authority. They did the opposite of their charter duties.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"....it is wildly apparent that one side is ready to accept hyperbole and aggrandizing as the basis for fact... that an error on the side of CPS is part one of a play wherein our guns are taken... well, I am at a loss for words, but I feel the above video states clearly my opinion of the author... sorry Blue, but you are round the bend comrade, you are supporting vapid opportunists who seek any example of government fallibility as a basis for advancing the fear parade... here is some hyperbole of my own: to correct the errors of Rush Limbaugh should we take away his prostitutes and cupcake frosting?"
+ a bunch
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
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Go get em Blue. Let me know when you volunteer as a child advocate.. Or a foster parent
Edit: you never apologize for your behavior. In fact, you boast about being a dick.
Time to get on the sharp end of the stick Blue. Go volunteer as a child advocate. Show those CPS people how to do their job.
I will work in different ways to protect children. Don't tell me what I have to do to justify myself to YOU. I will do things my way to help kids.
EDIT: here is some hyperbole of my own: to correct the errors of Rush Limbaugh should we take away his prostitutes and cupcake frosting?
I fail to see the relevance.
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John M
climber
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So get off the pot and actually go and protect a child. Volunteer as a child advocate.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"I will work in different ways to protect children. "
How does drinking yourself stooopid achieve this?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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"I will work in different ways to protect children. "
How does drinking yourself stooopid achieve this?
And you know this, how? Do I know you? Have you ever climbed with me or camped with my family?
WTF?
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John M
climber
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Let me know when you actually get on the sharp end of the stick and have to make tough decisions about a childs welfare.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Did you read all the FACTs? Or just what you wanted to read? Who is the idiot?
Ever think to ask yourself the same question? It's a tough question for any of us.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
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Ever think to ask yourself the same question? It's a tough question for any of us.
Why is it that you people can never answer a difficult question, and only bounce back the same question? Answer the question! You guys never want to answer, and then usually change the f*#king arguement.
A discussion is give/take. I refuse to bow to your bullsh#t.
Turning the question around is not an answer, an answer is.
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