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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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The Western climbers seem to be in full damage control mode. Would love to hear from some of the Sherpas because I have trouble believing the story as told.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
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while we were up there “7 Summits” showed up with 103 clients. ONE HUNDRED AND THREE. R U kidding?)
WOW!!!
That's a circus for sure!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
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Where is this "Everest" so many people speak of?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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Accomplished climbers should get over the "number" of the height and go elsewhere. SO MANY more impressive faces out there.
Leave that beautiful shitpile to the Sherpas that need a living and to the mooing, braying conga lines of Doctors and Lawyers.
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Simone and Jonathan managed to run away but I was not fast enough (I am getting slow and old. from Uli Steck's Swiss report, slow and old eh,ok!
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
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Steck's interview is great reading. Ties in with Jan's points about a slow build up of discontent. The mob that threatened to kill Steck is total nightmare material.
Though he, too, was there as a career move, to make money.
What a mess.
Hopefully they'll discover some rich tar sand deposits up near the Hillary Step, remove a couple thousand feet from the top....bring it down to size....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 30, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
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What has gone on up on the mountain yesterday has lowered moral here at EBC. Mountains have no place for egos, you see it time and time again, eventually a price is paid.
Mountains have no place for egos, mountains have no place for egos, mountains have no place for egos....
Wow.
Edit:
Quite the write-up. Certainly sounds as if Simone had it coming in that account.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 30, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
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And finally, the Sherpa point of view from a westerner who was there.
Here is an account written by Garrett Madison, the long time expedition leader for Alpine Ascents (AAI) in an email to Alan Arnette. His email started with the following introduction:
I have attached a short piece I wrote today about the fight at camp 2. I fully stand behind this piece, and recognize that I will be taking a position that may be unpopular at this time.
Fight at Camp 2 on Everest
As this story has emerged in the media it has become clear that the Sherpas have not been given a voice. The press releases, the blogging, and reports from the European climbers have dominated the headlines. Meanwhile the Sherpa are quietly continuing to fix the rope and continue their work at nearly 8000 meters on Everest. These Sherpa help realize the dream of many western climbers and will continue to be honored and respected by the foreign climbers who climb with them on Everest.
I have pieced together an objective version of events different from what is currently in the media headlines. These details are directly from what I heard on the radio on April 27th, my discussions with many people in base camp over the last 2 days including expedition leaders, western guides, and clients who were at Camp 2 during this incident, and Sirdars (head Sherpa) who directly supervise the fixing team.
On April 18th, 2013:
All expedition leaders and Sherpa Sirdars were invited and attended a meeting in Everest base camp to discuss the rope fixing strategy for this season on Everest. At this meeting everyone had a chance to suggest the best strategy and route to safely climb the mountain. The meeting concluded with the nomination of fixing Sherpas (the best available) and the suitable dates to complete the work. It was also agreed at the meeting by all the expedition leaders that nobody would be climbing on the route on these dates except the fixing team. That while these young men were working to fix the route for all expeditions at base camp, no expedition would disrupt or create a distraction for them. Unfortunately, Simone Moro did not attend this meeting, and might not have been aware that this protocol is an unwritten rule on Everest.
Over the next few days all the teams at base camp pitched in and Sherpas carried over 50 loads through the Khumbu Icefall to Camp 2. The fixing started on April 26th, for 2 days the Sherpa were scouting the best route on the Lhotse face and by the 27th they were less than an hour from reaching camp 3.
The 3 European climbers set out the morning of the 27th heading for the Lhotse face. After suggestions from both guides and Sherpa at Camp 2 and below the Lhotse face to turn around, because fixing the Lhotse face demands strict concentration, the 3 climbers continued on to the Lhotse face moving up and to the left of the fixing route. The 3 climbers moved alpine style up the Lhotse face and were headed towards their camp (just below camp 3 on the Lhotse face).
At this time the Sherpa fixing team were working on the Lhotse Face and have reached one of the steeper & more exposed areas. The temperature was dropping and the winds were picking up. As the fixing team was moving through a steeper section of the Lhotse face, the 3 European climbers met with the fixing team. The fixing team alerted the 3 climbers to not touch or cross the rope. This is a high intensity environment where people’s instincts are at a heightened state. The lead fixing Sherpa spoke with one of the 3 climbers at which point physical contact was made, at that point Simone came in verbal contact with a number of the fixing team who had now congregated at one of the anchors to secure themselves from sliding down the face.
Simone began to shout, many of the words in Nepali language, and many of the words were inflammatory. At this point the fixing team made the correct decision to drop their loads of rope and hardware, attaching them to the installed line, and descend without any further interaction or confrontation with the 3 climbers. The fixing team descended to camp 2 and went to their respective camps as a number of expedition teams work together to fix the route on Mt. Everest. As the fixing team descended to camp 2, Simone radioed down requesting to know what the Sherpa were talking about. At one point Simone stated over open radio frequency (fixing frequency-tuned in by all the fixing teams and anyone listening on the mountain) that if the Sherpa had a problem he could come down to Camp 2 soon and “f—ing fight”.
As Simone returned back to Camp 2 he again spoke over the fixing frequency a demand to speak with the fixing team comprised of 16 Sherpa (of 8 different teams) back at camp 2. He explained that he would meet them at one of the expedition camps. When he arrived in Camp 2 he went to his tent. At this point some western guides went to Simone’s camp to explain that he should apologize for the situation his team created during a very dangerous workday. As the western guides spoke to Simone, Sherpas from many different teams congregated as a result of his radio call from the Lhotse face and wanted to speak with Simone and get an apology and to explain to him how difficult their job had been that day. The Sherpas who were together felt that Simone’s words and interactions were both hurtful to the individuals, as well as grave and serious insults to the entire Sherpa community. As the Sherpas approached Simone’s camp tensions were high and they wanted to have a discussion with an already angered Simone. Then Simone came out to talk and both sides approached each other in loud discussion at which point a careless western climber who had not been involved up on the Lhotse face arrived and entangled physically with a Sherpa. This was the ignition for what ensued next. It is safe to say that the Sherpa thought this western climber was part of Simone’s team and had initiated a dangerous confrontation. At this point the Sherpa felt as if they needed to defend themselves as they had just seen one of their colleagues attacked. The tense situation ignited and a brawl ensued.
The brawl was stopped by a group of western climbers and Sherpa working together. Simone’s team was protected by both a Sherpa group and a few western climbers and guides. As the group separated, Simone requested to apologize for his actions. After things calmed down, Simone’s team descended to base camp. The following day, April 28th, was peaceful.
April 29th:
To Simone’s credit he did not want to leave Everest until he had a chance to make peace with the furious Sherpas. The Sherpa met in base camp and discussed peacefully the events of the fixing day (April 27th), and both parties recognized the errors in what they said and did, and apologized to each other. Simone reiterated his respect for the Sherpas and for the work they do and both sides agreed to work together in the future to make sure something like this never happens again.
The Sherpa community understands this unfortunate and avoidable situation was unacceptable. The Sirdars have committed to educate these hard working young men about handling the stresses of a very intense job.
In climbing the Nepalese side of Mt. Everest, all the teams collaborate in working together to ultimately achieve a mutual goal, to reach the top of Mt. Everest safely and the Sherpa are a major part of this goal. The first summit of Everest in 1953 was Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay, a foreigner and a Nepalese Sherpa. The first American ascent in 1963 was Jim Whittaker and Nawang Gombu Sherpa, also a foreigner and a Sherpa.
I sincerely hope that this incident does not damage how the Sherpas perceive the foreigners who come to climb on their mountain. We aim to uphold the spirit of climbing together to accomplish our common goals and to respect one another throughout our mountaineering endeavors.
http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2013/04/30/everest-2013-the-sherpas-viewpoint/
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 30, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
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It's funny we use to have fist fights in Camp 4 before the internet and no one cared.
No more. New generation of climbers are pussies. Removing lightning bolts in the middle of the night...than blog about it. Pretty much sums it up....
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 30, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
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The scenario this Sherpa describes is how I pictured events unfolding. As if Everest needed to be any more of a spectacle.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 30, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
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I would love to know the history of the Chamonix guide service. I'll bet there were similar incidents as they organized themselves for the monopoly they have. You can bet if someone trampled over a guide and his client on a route around there, there would be repercussions including from the local gendarmerie.
In any case, the message is clear. The southside of Everest is for tourists and Sherpas, and alpinists wanting to do another style should choose another route, on one of the other sides of the mountain or choose another mountain.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 30, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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there would be repercussions including from the local gendarmerie.
Yup, with stonings, death threats, and whole nine yards. Guides in Cham are savagez.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 30, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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As if Everest wasn't any MORE of a buzzkill.
Coz is right. Last time I fought without weapons was in C4 in '76, but those boyz all gots axes!
Could've been worse. Just ask Trotsky.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Apr 30, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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Were there peculiar issues pricipitating the brawling in Camp 4...or just generic pride and drink ??
Other than routine melee with Jackson cowboys...the only Teton climber skirmishing I've heard about, from that era, were the Hemming/Lowe scuffle and some discord provoked by the Vulgarians...
??
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micronut
Trad climber
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Apr 30, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
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Jonathan Griffith is on NPR right now. Nice interview. Check it out on All Things Considered.
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PeteC
climber
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Apr 30, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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The Sherpa version of things posted above is exquisite bullsh#t. If there are 100 people throwing rocks against 3 that is not a "brawl".
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 30, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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Camp 2, the location of the "brawl" is at 21,325 Ft.
Maybe a new record for world's highest mob scene?
Another first for Everest!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 30, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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Then Simone came out to talk and both sides approached each other in loud discussion at which point a careless western climber who had not been involved up on the Lhotse face arrived and entangled physically with a Sherpa. This was the ignition for what ensued next.
I'd like to know who this westerner was and why he wasn't named. Tourist, guide or guide service employee and for whom?
As for brawls and mobs, there's a basic difference between individual oriented societies and tribal societies. That's a large part of the misunderstanding here. Madison clearly operates on group principles while in Nepal and on the mountain, perhaps in all of life.
As for Chamonix guides throwing stones at Brits a hundred years ago, I can certainly imagine it.
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