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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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That Jesus is chiseled...deep-chested, square jaw. Does he have the 6, or has his core workout given him the coveted 8-pack? Bet you that guy could throw a money-lender claer into hell.
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
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Well I haven't been looking at this site much of late, but I did just (finally) meet Crimpie and BrassNuts, out in Boulder a couple weeks ago, and she was telling me the general air of the forum has deteriorated. If the way people are talking to Jennie is an indication of the average vibe, I won't miss it here.
To be clear, I am no saint, and I can lay it on pretty good if I feel like it. I also have no problem making fun of someone's deeply held religious beliefs (obviously), but turning that into some sexually disrespectful or outright sexually offensive post? Not into it.
I don't respect people who type things they would not say face to face, that's just chickenshit Jr High School crap in my book. Life is to short to even associate with people like that.
Let me give you all some advice and perspective that has really worked well for me in my life: Don't associate with people who do not improve the quality of your life. Period. Seek out people in your life who make your life and your experiences positive, then be honest and generous and kind to them, and watch your life blossom.
Adios motherf*#kers!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Where did I personally attack Jennie? Seriously?
FWIW, if a woman defends the mormon church's anti-gay agenda I would have no problem asking them to their face if they have ever considered going down on another woman.
Make an effort to be constructive when you post.
I make it a point to stay out of 90+% of the threads here, especially climbing related threads. I think we can all agree that is pretty constructive.
But yeah, feel free to blame the deteriorating tone of the forum on me... that's what I'm here for after all.
Mormons do NOT accept gay people. They barely tolerate them.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Matt, you talk MAD sh#t to all kinds of people. Not that I don't, but you live in a glass house dog.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Adios motherf*#kers
You'll be back...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Seasonal Effective disorder.... gets people every season. Always a mass exodus and a return once the 120 opens.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Seasonally Affected Disorder
SAD :-( wauuwauuuwaaaaaauuuuuuuuu
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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You too, Patrick.
Crock,
I deleted the post that offended your delicate sensibilities.
I didn't direct any comments to Jennie, and I respect her standing for her beliefs in a hostile environment.
Mormoism is crazy, but so christianity with virgin birth. Anology to chipping: chirstianity is one or two chipped holds and mormonism is the whole route, but they are both chipping.. just a matter of scale.
Bill Maher thinks christianity will be absorbed into mormonism in America because americans are inherently narcissistic. So, a religion that re-writes the bible to have christ in american is perfect.
I like the Mormons way more than evangelical christians. Mormons I know are pleasant and non-confrontational. Maybe the holy underwear keeps them calm?
They are both on the wrong side of history on civil rights and now gay rights. But, the whole rebulican party is dying a slow death like an elephant stuck in the mud.
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weezy
climber
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all the pompous, in-your-face atheists are every bit as annoying as religious zealots. we can thank that self-important tw#t dawkins for that. i've been an atheist all my life and i absolutely can't the tone of any of dawkins books or any of his smug little devotees. google "faces of atheism" for a laugh.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Maybe there's a god maybe there isn't. I just don't know. What I want to know is WTF is up with Dr Pepper?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Maybe there's a god maybe there isn't. I just don't know. What I want to know is WTF is up with Dr Pepper? I don't know what is up with Dr. P, but Dawkins (and others) have a pretty good response to the "maybe there's a god maybe there isn't" view.
He uses as an example of the possibility that there is a perfectly formed china teapot orbiting the sun in the asteroid belt.
You can't prove that there is not such a teapot.
So it is equally likely that there is or there isn't, and is it reasonable to consider that there may well be since we can't prove it one way or the other?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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In the LDS church, is Jesus depicted as a swarthy, sun-burnt, dirty desert dweller, all hook-nosed and wild-eyed, or a strapping, blond haired blue eyed Aryan with the smug self-confidence of a corporate CEO?
The following paintings of Christ are the portraits most commonly seen in LDS houses of worship.
I paint ...but my sense of hue fails to discern blue eyes or blonde hair in magnified images of any of the three. Does yours?
At best, the Parsons painting depicts auburn hair with hazel eyes...palpably a nordic man. Christian artists around the world have a tendency toward painting Christ in their own racial/ethnic context. There is a story circulating that an LDS Prophet told someone that the Parsons painting was the closest tangible depiction of Christ. Not the case, the LDS church doesn't declare any painting as the literal visage of Christ.
When the Parsons painting was commisioned the artist was given largely free reign...but the church cirriculum commitee did ask for more color and light contrasts to attract the eye from afar.
Del Parsons, 1992
Werner Sallman, 1941
Heinrich Hofmann
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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This is the mormon Jesus that watches over me when....Doesn't look like any of the desert wanderers I've ever met.
If your family commisioned a painting to remember their beloved Wes...
...would they want a portrait of the groomed and handsome Weston about to deliver his valedictary address...or the dusty, thirst crazed Wes returning from the Savage Mountain by way of the Arabian Desert ??
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Would Jesus have looked like a modern Palestinian?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Perhaps...it might be well to remember the tribe of Judah were not related (closely) to the Phillistines and rarely intermarried with the other tribes or Israel or Arabs in the area for hundreds of years.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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JC need a beanie.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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I'm still trying to figure out what this has to do with Greene responding to that chipping vid. What page did the turn start? Lol
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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some of gods salespeople came to my door today, I had to remind them about the no soliciting/trespassing sign -again.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Ya know Matt if you're gonna split, maybe you can take this train wreck wth you?
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donald perry
Trad climber
kearny, NJ
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I see a chipped Gospel here: "Gospel of love The gospel of Jesus Christ is based on love, respect and agency. Mormons believe that all humans have inherited strengths, weaknesses, challenges and blessings and are invited to live, through the help and grace of God, the principles revealed by Jesus Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints maintains that “God’s universal fatherhood and love charges each of us with an innate and reverent acknowledgment of our shared human dignity. We are to love one another. We are to treat each other with respect as brothers and sisters and fellow children of God, no matter how much we may differ from one another.”9"
I am sorry to bring this up, but I noticed the post above. Frankly I would much rather respond to this post below: [I have not been here in awhile.]
“Let me give you all some advice and perspective that has really worked well for me in my life: Don't associate with people who do not improve the quality of your life. Period. Seek out people in your life who make your life and your experiences positive, then be honest and generous and kind to them, and watch your life blossom. Adios motherf*#kers!”
I disagree, I find that it is the people who I disagree with the most to whom I may in fact learn the most from, my best friend in an atheist, and I think he is a genius, most of the time. In other words, if you seek out people who agree with you all the time, you are not going to grow much in life. Isn’t that why we climb these walls? True … true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqVlUBZ-D8
Old Video of Ammon McNeely Hard Man falling on aid.
But to get back to this first and unfortunate post I quote, that’s not the good news at all, in fact it is bad news and it is not the Gospel. This “The gospel of Jesus Christ is based on love” has to do with mens WORKS and NOT SALVATION at all. That’s NOT good news but WORK and something someone made up in their head, it does not come from the Bible. This WORKS Doctrine is typical of *Mormons*[1.], Jehovah Witnesses, Pseudo Christianity, and every other false religion, in fact every other religion on the face of the earth.
Here, I’ll prove it. Mark 12 “Which is the first commandment of all? 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
OK, so what are we talking about here? The LAW. But the law is not the Gospel, Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. … for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them” (Gal. 3:10).
The reason that all who are of the works of the law are under the curse is that “by the law is the knowledge of sin” (Rom. 3:20).
OK, so the Gospel is not love, that’s work, work work and more work till you fail and wind up in Hell. We are saved by faith in Christ AND FAITH IN HIS WORK. That is the reason why faith in Christ saves and faith in YOUR WORKS DO NOT SAVE.
The Gospel posted above is only something that will keep you working all the way till you fall off the end of this world into the pits of Hell. Don’t believe that stupid lie.
The true Gospel is, and now I will define it in my own words: trust in Jesus, and nothing more. If you cannot trust him, then you should. It is that simple. No need to write anything more.
Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
ACTS 13:39 “And by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses” [very easy] [Trust in Jesus]
It is only AFTER you put your faith in Christ that your works [Love of God and man, 1st and 2nd commandment] count for something, but these good works you do can NEVER ever save you from Hell.
Oh, ... and concerning one more mistake you make. Jesus was not white, He was a black man, as depicted in early Christian art.
Notes:
[1.] Book of Mormon, Moroni 10:32-33 Yea, acome unto Christ, and be bperfected in him, and cdeny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and dlove God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be eperfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye asanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the bblood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your csins, that ye become dholy, without spot.
[1.] Book of Mormon, Alma 11:37 37 And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their asins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that bno unclean thing can inherit the ckingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.
[1.] Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.
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