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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Dec 18, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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The solo club police will be contacting those of you who have broken the first, second, and third rules of the club. All membership privileges will be revoked immediately.
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Dec 18, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
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And the old crust dude is right, spraying about it is kind of lame.
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 19, 2012 - 02:17am PT
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Thanks Luke, I certainly know who John Gill is but did not know Jogill and him were one in the same. I think Luke's intention was to let people like me know this. He was not trying to educate all you oldtimers on climbing history.I better watch it I'm almost an oldtimer myself!
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skywalker
climber
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Dec 19, 2012 - 03:31am PT
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Here is a story, 2 actually. One time I decided to go soloing in the flatirons here in Boulder. I started up the third intent on the "regular route" and encountered the usual train of people. I decided that I'd just go up the right side instead (Onsight), after all its the flatirons how hard can that be. I was just below the "U" and far off to the right. Sheez went blank. Didn't realize until I made a few friction moves that I did not want to reverse. Looking down I gulped. I headed up and left across the paint and found easier ground but thought I was suerely gonna die. My day ended there (once I got to the top and rapped).
Several years later I had just did the first flatiron with a partner. On our descent (trail) a hiker frantically yelled to us that someone was "stuck up on the mountain". We made audio contact and I led off (we had gear) and got within 30 ft or so of him but couldn't see him.
After a few instructions (I was outta rope) he down climbed to visual distance and he was no older than 19 wearing "Chuck Taylors" and I gulped. He got himself within arms length and I grabbed his belt and pulled him on to me. I rigged a belay for him and he literally hugged me and we decended in 2 raps to the ground (I lost a few pieces of gear).
On the ground there were numerous onlookers. But he was happy as apple pie. He said " man I thought I was gonna have to sleep on the side of that mountain". Turns out he was a freshman in the dorms and hiked up there and thought he could scramble up to the top but got to a point where he could not go back. So he thought he'd go up and over the other side and step off. Impossible. At least for him. We gave him a ride back to the dorms.
He'll never forget that nor will I. He did tag the summit. And I never saw him again.
S...
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Dec 19, 2012 - 07:36am PT
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"Before that time many (British) climbers wore tweed and would press their bodies against the rock for maximum friction on slabs and steep faces. "
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Jolly good form, that. Ahem. Carry on.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 19, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
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A little (worthwhile) thread drift
Eckenstein taught Paul Preuss the art of ice climbing, if I remember properly. Without looking it up (dangerous at my age) I seem to recall that Preuss made over 4,000 ascents in his short lifetime, many of them first ascents done solo. The extent of his soloing FAs (though not the difficulty) dwarfs that of anyone else I can think of.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 19, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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right of passage for young rock stars to prove themselves by 3rd classing their way up Sentinel via the Steck Salathe.
Right of passage? lol Do you get a cookie if you solo it, or a pat on the back?
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Alexey
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 05:05pm PT
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Here is Grug's tales of the solo on Lost Arrow and then more bonus stories at
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=145597&tn=0&mr=0.
Feb 2, 2006 - 11:28am PT
Sitting here recovering from shoulder surgery and going through this site is bringing back a flood of memories. Only a few friends know this hopefully interesting free-solo story - so here it is.
The inspiration, really, was Henry Barber's free solo of the Steck Salathe - in 1977, I think. I was intrigued by this, and in 1978, I too, free-soloed the Steck-Salathe. I did it the same way Henry had done, I brought a long sling and a carabiner with me to protect the one scary piece of face climbing. The whole climb took about an hour and a half to complete.
The Steck-Salathe was a climb I had done several times before, and, frankly, free-soloing it did not seem to be such a big deal, in retrospect. It occurred to me that an on-site free-solo of a Yosemite classic would raise the stakes. I don't remember what made me think of the Lost Arrow Chimney - it wasn't a climb that was really on my radar or anything, but I was very confident in the wide crack arena and figured there was no way that I couldn't free-solo 5.10a.
So, sometime in the late Spring of 1979, I let some of my friends in on it and told my buddy Alan Chase that if I didn't show up for dinner the next night, to walk up the Falls trail the following morning and throw a rope down to the notch so I could prussik out.
I left in the morning, excited, of course. I brought a paperback book, "The Myth of Sysiphus", that I stuffed in my cotten warmup pants, just above the ankle. The climb went quickly and rather uneventfully. Because I figured that I might have to hang out at the notch all day anyhow, I took my time - hanging out at certain ledges - but still the whole climb took only about 3 hours. Like on the Steck-Salathe, I took a long runner and a carabiner. I used the runner on a fixed pin at the scary, flakey section discussed in this post, and then abandoned it.
When I topped out on the notch, there was a party setting up to do the tyrolean traverse of the spire. Two clearly inexperienced guys were at the notch, and one guy in particular, was really spooked and could not believe that I had soloed up to that point. I asked if I could use their ropes to get out. Both guys ended up jumaring up to the top of the wall. I was expecting that maybe they would send jumars down for me, but after the second guy went up, nothing happened for like 15 minutes, in spite of my yelling. So I got out two small cords and prussiked their rope to the top of the wall.
I hiked back to Camp 4 with little fanfare. I do remember John Long congratulating me the next morning.
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lubbockclimber
Trad climber
lubbock,tx
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Dec 19, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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Bumping the gun threads
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 19, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
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If Henry actually used the sling to protect the face move, well then that's not a true free solo.
Maybe technically puristic not, but to me it still is.
So it's one move you used some protection, no big deal.
Better than being dead ....... :-)
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
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I almost hate to post this, but a true on-sight solo doesn't include a sling to clip, into a bolt or pin to protect a section.
That might be an issue for those who free solo to make claims about it, but if you just want to go out and climb something amazing without gear and partner hassles, it's not a big deal
WHich is more pure is open to debate
Peace
Karl
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:18pm PT
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I was always amazed at places like Josh as to how much more confidently I would solo if there was someone toproping within reach. As if I could actually leap over mid-fall, grab both ropes and save myself, which fortunately I never had to test! But somehow it made it seem pretty safe and I recall some times being way off the deck and climbing cavalierly due to the rope being nearby.
I suppose some of the confidence came from knowing if it got gripping, the rope could be used to make an escape.
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peter croft
climber
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Dec 20, 2012 - 10:34am PT
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Wow! What a lot of cool stories. Cool that is, until Coz had to go and bust me on the whole sling on the Rostrum thing. Thanks a lot Scott for bringing up the painful memories. Back to Sentinel - my first time was back in '83 on my first solo link up (with NE buttress of Higher Rock) in the Valley. I knew the story about Henry Barber, of course, but didn't know of anyone else. I'd heard about the sling but figured if it was that important I'd just down climb. Anyway, apart from getting lost down low, the route was a good adventure and the face pitch was a little delicate but fine. One thing about the place, though, the wide cracks gape at you and the whole face sort of glowers. After the grey rock and dark shadows of Sentinel the NE buttress of Higher was all sunny yellows and oranges. Hadn't done it either so naturally I got lost on it as well - this time up high. On top of Higher my mind was blown and my eyes were wide open. It wasn't so much the amount of climbing as the scenic tour factor. On Sentinel the backdrop was the thundering Yosemite Falls in full spring roar - and on Higher I'd peek over my shoulder at El Cap. What also blew me away was that here I stood in probably the best place in the world for linking routes and nobody else seemed to have clued into it. My mind just swam with the possibilities.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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Thank you for posting that story, Peter! Can't wait to try NE Buttress. It does look nice, and I technically have not topped out on Higher Cathedral since I only did Braille Book...
What link up in the Valley can I do to prepare for Valkyrie?! :)
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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That Eeeyonkee, always playacting.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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Duece wrote
I was always amazed at places like Josh as to how much more confidently I would solo if there was someone toproping within reach. As if I could actually leap over mid-fall, grab both ropes and save myself, which fortunately I never had to test! But somehow it made it seem pretty safe and I recall some times being way off the deck and climbing cavalierly due to the rope being nearby.
Since I'm not the hardman many on this thread are, I'd usually carry a rope a little gear to rope up for the 5.9 pitches when I soloed the NE Butt or East Butt of El Cap. I became aware of perceiving an illusion of safety when I was trailing the rope during the bulk of the climbing where I was just free solo, just from having the rope between my legs.
I had to remind myself that I'd need the luck of Yabo for that rope to catch on anything if I plummeted
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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Most of my near death experiences soloing long stuff were due to other people or rockfall. I used to Solo the East Butt of Middle a lot (roping for a pitch or aiding) and rockfall almost got me a few times.
Once I was on the 5.7 face above the crux pitch and watched a full water bottle with a biner on it fly from hundreds of feet above and it was headed RIGHT for me! I braced myself to hold on if I got nailed but it was just on some little crimpers. Thank God it hit the rock a couple of feet in front of me and bounced over my head. When I caught up to the guys who dropped it, they were acquaintances from YI. No worries about them, sh#t happens.
On the first pitch of Kor Beck once, I had MAJOR rocks rain down in excess. It was a miracle I wasn't destroyed. The rocks fell behind me, and on both sides (I was sheltered a bit by some roof near the end of the pitch) I bailed and was soon joined by some long time valley climbers who rapped off the route and admitted they trundled a huge block up there in the name of public safety.
Didn't help that it started to rain when I was onsight soloing the Harding route on the apron as far as the oasis. I was almost 3/4th of the way to the Oasis and the route is lichenous and tenuous, not to mention not obvious with no topo and only 5.7 or so. It's only 5.7 if you find the route! I think I just started rushing and the rain didn't get things wet enough to kill me.
Rained on me high on the East Butt of El Cap too but I had a little gear to yard up through intermittent cracks between dicey wet face moves.
Banged my head HARD on the roof of both Commitment and Moby Dick center. Yah gotta remember to hang on when that happens!
Got benighted soloing Lucifer's to the Oasis (which is about as safe as free solo even if you go with a rope) wrote that up here
http://yosemiteclimber.com/LucifersLedgeSolo.html
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
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Oh yeah, started soloing the regular on Fairview late in the day once, and there was a party on pitch 4 at like 5pm and moving SLOW. They agreed to let me pass when they needed to get their rope unstuck where the crack ate it on pitch 3. The problem was the leader's girlfriend was in a hanging belay under a roof and they had a medium sized haulbag to boot! (I thought maybe they were planning to bivy up there but No! They were doing it in a day!)
So I was just going to slip past her by yarding on their anchor cords because she and the bag were totally blocking the climb in 5.7 territory. I grabbed the anchor slings and "HO MAN!!" One of the nuts in their anchor CAME OUT! The anchor wasn't equalized either but had enough friction in the system that my arm (with the sling and gear attached to it) was being forced down slowly as their whole rig, with the belayer and all was also being lowered by the anchor at like a 3/1 ratio. She was screaming!
Not one to die without a fight, I managed to direct the nut back over to a lower part of the crack and wedged it in a good enough placement to stop the whole disaster.
I climbed past and explained to the leader about the rappel route he was going to need if he made it to crescent ledge. When I returned near the face on the descent, I could hear them epicing up there.
Peace
Karl
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Dec 20, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
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One thing about the place, though, the wide cracks gape at you and the whole face sort of glowers. After the grey rock and dark shadows of Sentinel the NE buttress of Higher was all sunny yellows and oranges. Hadn't done it either so naturally I got lost on it as well - this time up high. On top of Higher my mind was blown and my eyes were wide open. It wasn't so much the amount of climbing as the scenic tour factor.
Thanks for posting that Peter, your description has me dreaming for another Yosemite visit. (of course I will be doing the slow roped over protected scenic tour)
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