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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Aug 24, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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I think the charges are B.S. against LA whether he doped or not. It was 7 years ago and his victories should stand.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 24, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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However, this organization is so bloated with taxpayer dollars that it just stomps over and bullies anyone they can to get them to go along with their actions.
Pretty typical of the government these days. No limit to the spending. Or a time limit. A weak President at the top.
I've seen Lances Pool Times, His run results, he's about the greatest athlete of our times. The self-righteous, seek to justify their miserable existence by trashing true greatness. They'll interpret his abandonment of his defense as an admission of guilt. F*#k all of them.
I can't wait to see him at Kona.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Aug 24, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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Tom Head, Texas Judge: Obama Reelection Could Lead To 'Civil War and the Incarceration of Lance Armstrong,' I'm Ready To 'Take Up Arms'
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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Melki Cabrera is the maggot I am pissed at! Although the Giants are doing well now, the team would benefit from his presence.
Are they gonna take the All Star game away from NL now?
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
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Their big testimony is they "overheard" it? What a joke.
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
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I find it interesting that no one was upset when Contador was stripped of his TdF title from two years ago.
Is it because lance is an 'merican?
Were you guys upset when Ivan Basso was banned for two years? I'd say not.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Thinks that's a joke Roughster?
Don't you have a variety of friends and their relatives around when you are talking to your doctor?
;)
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jstan
climber
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
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Frankly this is going to cause people to be less interested next year in the TDF. That's the real bottom line.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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Fools in these Panties-in-a-bunch agencies are only proving that they can find a case against whomever they point the light at, thus knocking down all the heroes and leaving them with no sport that anybody is going to want to watch, attend or buy swag about.
Good luck with that. Horse is out of the barn. Better to have "Don't ask, don't tell" where you win by keeping up with beatings tests and using stuff that's not illegal yet. Otherwise what can you do, give em lie detector tests once a year?
better to go rockclimbing and test drugs than go cycling and get drug tested
Peace
Karl
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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Frankly this is going to cause people to be less interested next year in the TDF
disagree. TdF will always be popular in Europe
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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Looks like he told a private concern, with an axe to grind, and no legal jurisdiction or process to go piss off.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
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find it interesting that no one was upset when Contador was stripped of his TdF title from two years ago.
Is it because lance is an 'merican?
Were you guys upset when Ivan Basso was banned for two years? I'd say not.
Was the USADA involved? Was there physical evidence?
Sure Americans care more about American cyclists than those from other countries. So what?
Armstrong is no longer contesting the USADA. Why should he, if he's no longer competing at the TDF level?. Nothing prevents the USADA from releasing enough of its evidence to convince the skeptics. While sanctimonious sportswriters will doubtless be orgasmic at the prospect of taking down another hero, the comments on this thread show that many of us don't accept the "he's guilty because we said so" explanation on its own.
I also find it interesting that some say that not all riders at the highest level are doing this. Prove it! That's what the USADA is making everyone they accuse do.
John
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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Recently, I have been in email conversations with a Taco Stander about climbing, people and such. But not about Armstrong or Landis or anybody else in the cycling world. (I introduced a former Boy Scout companion, Greg Mount, to bicycle racing, and he was one of the first Americans to hit the European circuit).
I told this fellow Supertopian that I entered my first race (San Francisco Bay Area High School Circuit) in 1972, a Hill Climb in El Cerrito. I just wanted the ten bucks reward money to buy a lid (bag of grass to the uninitiated).
I literally came in inches behind numbers one, two and three, but I still got a Yellow Ribbon for fourth place (I think I still have it somewhere in a box). The other three ahead of me had all the biz, cleats, bicycle shorts etc. I had tennies and cut-off jeans. I was on my late brother's Pogligahi (which is still in the family), we also had a Masi and Bianchi, all Campy gear.
So our fellow Taco Stander jokes with me in an email that I was a pro on drugs. Hah hah, except I did not win the $10. I entered a couple of more races, but climbing was my first love. Football (soccer my second). I tried turning pro in Europe when I was 26, but a) "Americans don't play football", and b) 26!
Most footie pros start at 14 or so as apprentices in Europe. But I had the dream (semi-pro teams: Harrow Borough in England, San Francisco Celtic, trial with Galway United and reserves on the Golden Gate Gales, the old ASL American Soccer League, and of course, a bench warmer at Cal State Hayward/East Bay... I was 27 & 28, the other lads called me Uncle Pat, but I was still the third fastest and one of the best passers at Cal State).
I do not know if Lance Armstrong doped, and I do not really care. If he cheated other "would be" Tour winners, who probably cheated as well, even taking drugs so they would not have to stop and pee, that is his conscience he has to live with.
Maybe I should find that Yellow Ribbon from my first race and burn it, except, I was never high the few times I raced.
(Yeah, I climbed on acid, mushrooms and mescaline back in the day, not smart, but...).
If Armstrong cheated with various enhancers, he has to live with that, I still admire him for his cancer foundation.
Which poster said it earlier, "A mountain out of a molehill".
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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Frankly this is going to cause people to be less interested next year in the TDF. That's the real bottom line.
Not I.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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So, who'd Armstrong cheat out of a legitimate drug-free TDF win?
Ulrich?
Pantani?
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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Frankly this is going to cause people to be less interested next year in the TDF. That's the real bottom line.
Particularly if the ICU agrees and strips Armstrong of his titles. That will basically invalidate the TDF and perhaps even the entire sport.
Curt
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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...many of us don't accept the "he's guilty because we said so" explanation on its own.
I also find it interesting that some say that not all riders at the highest level are doing this. Prove it! That's what the USADA is making everyone they accuse do.
That's the bugaboo for me. I, too, say 'prove it'. Confessed liars and cheats testifying doesn't do the trick for me. And even unabashed testimony from George Hincapie doesn't flip the switch. Let's see some real test results. Otherwise this is a travesty and certainly not worth the US tax dollars that funded this expedition to nowhere.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:29pm PT
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Dope or no dope, I won't miss the tdf for anything!
So guys, you think any doping will go on during the upcoming Vuelta?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:36pm PT
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People, regardless of whatever Armstrong used illicit substances, it is a huge blot on the sport, a sport that has become synonymous with drug taking, blood transfusion, and as I mentioned even drugs to stop your urinary tract from wanting to get off the bike, etc.
None of these people - the riders, teams, drug testers and what not - IMO, have not done themselves any proud. How to clean it up? When there is so much money, prestige and accolades at stake, the cheaters will find a way.
Sad, isn't it, and it is not only in cycling.
EDIT, for example, business. I know of one Irish billionaire, (that lied to me personally) that used a 'brown envelope' to gain his fortune. When there is money and fame to gain, a lot of people are unscrupulous. Sport, business, whatever, they are out there. Bad parental guidance? I don't know, I have enough on my plate, to really worry about these people (talk about them on a forum, yes, but really worry, no).
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