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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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When I began climbing I did so in the hope that good karma would result from the simple fact of moving upward.
A lizard knows more. He's hungry. Good reason to climb.
Dirtbag at the side of the road, holding a sign:
Will climb for karma.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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The climbing bum lifestyle is attractive to me. We all know what it is. Nobody shoves it down my throat.
I think I should live my Christian life the same way. If it looks attractive to somebody and they get to know my Savior, great!
A government can't improve or add to the climbing bum lifestyle in the Valley. They only put up roads, hotels and take out free campsites- and charge admission and impose camping limits. The same with religion.
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:33am PT
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There is a good chance I might regret this …………
In an attempt to follow SS stated format & doing my best to keep it brief
1) Living a life of violence and (self) destruction. I was by no means a “fun person” to be around, and many quite correctly considered me hazardous to their health. Was at a point and with the background to follow through & commit suicide by cop. In the moment cried out to God …. And He showed up as Abba Father. God Proceeded to restore me to some semblance of sanity. Delivered me from self medication & reconciled my family back to me. Jesus found me, as He was never lost
2) The Lord has given me humor and joy – which helps me to laugh at my self. Much grace has been poured out on my life. What helps me take “comfort in the Christian Life” is the utter destruction of ego, pride and performance. Salvation is not earned, not wages being paid out for performance or effort. It is a complete and total gift and so have I no grounds to brag or self aggrandize. I am a beggar that has found bread.
3) I was– in Pentecostal vernacular – radically saved. An immediate and sudden 180 turn. Received education from a Conservative – opps I am sorry - FUN –DA – MENTAL College. Did Youth Ministries for about 8 years total, four of those years as Student Ministries Pastor and Sectional Leader for Nor California / Nevada District of the Assemblies of God. My Bride and I left to pioneer a little Barrio Church for 5 years.
Where there are people you will always have politics & politricks and I am not good at it. In truth we got worn out & beat up and have been on Sabbatical for the last 18 months…. More to the story than I really want to share, but in truth my bride and marriage is my ministry now.
I tread carefully here but the following might be pertinent:
A)I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Republican Party & in 30 years Presidential voting I only voted for the “winner” once
B) I embrace Science and in fact have siblings who make a living at it – if you believe Medicine is a Science I have spent the majority of the years of Ministry
Bi – vocational and have been employed in the Medical field going on 20 years.
C) The majority of my years of ministry were serving at risk families & youths coming out of generational – some times three and four deep – violence and affiliation. We have done a lot of work with the homeless and abused also. I have education in Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM) and spent a fair amount on Suicide watch and serving Juvenile Offenders in Boot Camps and Isolation Units.
This has gone on longer than I wanted or meant to, and I am struggling to close. This is obviously a polarizing topic with strong opinions, and even stronger emotions. In all sincerity I pray that all may prosper in every way and be in good health, just as your soul prospers
Fabula Est Vestri
Rob Newell
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MisterE
Social climber
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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Rob, I LOVE this line:
What helps me take “comfort in the Christian Life” is the utter destruction of ego, pride and performance.
Some of the best Christians I have ever met were helping the at-risk youth and the homeless - I did the rounds with them.
Your big share is appreciated by at least one person here: me. Thanks, and God Bless You.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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Wow, this thread is really moving along. Wonder why.
However, when you gather your equipment and head to the rocks, you are engaged in an activity that was to some extent an outgrowth of muscular christianity, a movement prominent in Victorian and Edwardian England.
So don't knock it too hard - some of those guys were our forefathers.
;>)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:49am PT
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It was equally (if not more) a product of the Romantic movement, which if anything reflected pantheistic beliefs.
Although admittedly people did occasionally climb mountains in the bible, assuming that there's any truth to it.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2012 - 12:50am PT
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Yikes!!
It's gonna take me forever to catch up with this thread.
I had no idea it would do this.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:56am PT
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Having lived most of my adult life with Hindus and Buddhists, the thing I find most distressing about Christians is their assumption that they alone have a path to the Divine.
As for micronut's experience in Nepal, I have seen possessions and also exorcisms among animists, Hindus, and Buddhists there. In Japan I have seen Confucianists and Taoists exorcized by a Buddhist priest. I've also seen Christians possessed and exorcized. Whatever is happening on those occasions cuts across ethnic and religious lines. I can't agree with the implication that only "pagans" get possessed and only Christians can save them.
I've also seen healings and speaking in tongues among many non Christians. Not to mention that many of Jesus' earliest followers were "pagans".
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John M
climber
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Aug 17, 2012 - 01:14am PT
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Great Post Rob..
Few have ears to hear, but some do.
thank you and may God bless you.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 17, 2012 - 01:23am PT
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my person opinion is that religion is a vehicle for spirituality and it's up to individuals to figure out which way of expressing their spirituality works best for them.
like.
and to each his own. walk it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 17, 2012 - 01:24am PT
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Not to mention that many of Jesus' earliest followers were "pagans".
And if there was a real person named Yeshua, he was if anything a Jew, who became the founder of a fringe sect that has since changed enormously.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Aug 17, 2012 - 01:42am PT
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I always liked these quotes:
“My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.”
― Dalai Lama XIV
“Love and Compassion are the true religions to me. But to develop this, we do not need to believe in any religion.”
― Dalai Lama XIV
“The purpose of all the major religious traditions is not to construct big temples on the outside, but to create temples of goodness and compassion inside, in our hearts.”
― Dalai Lama XIV
“Irrespective of whether we are believers or agnostics, whether we believe in God or karma, moral ethics is a code which everyone is able to pursue.”
― Dalai Lama XIV, The Path To Tranquility: Daily Meditations By The Dalai Lama
“In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher.”
― Dalai Lama XIV
“Each of us in our own way can try to spread compassion into people’s hearts. Western civilizations these days place great importance on filling the human 'brain' with knowledge, but no one seems to care about filling the human 'heart' with compassion. This is what the real role of religion is.”
― Dalai Lama XIV
cheers
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:19am PT
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who became the founder of a fringe sect that has since changed enormously. I could be wrong but I thought it was some of the apostles and a guy named Paul that were the founders. Chewy just asked them to spread the word. God is.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:31am PT
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re: love peace and compassion
You can talk about them and feel good, but as long as there is an insistence to reproduce (there is) and an insistence to grow or gain (there is) in a finite environment of limited resources, these insistencies (otherwise expectations if not rights) are going to come at some point at the expense of others... and the love, peace and compassion are going to be limited, restricted (e.g., to one's community, tribe or loved ones) accordingly, commensurately. Despite all the kumbaya in the now.
I know I'm not the only one who's had ecology to know about population dynamics, boon and bust cycles and population crashes. When resources start disappearing.
Who here thinks all Americans, let alone all the world's people, are prepared to live a simple subsistence life style like the Dalai Lama, anyone? Start with America's celebrities and alpha males and all the umpteen millions lusting everyday to emulate them.
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How ironic. It just struck me that the OP is one of most magical thinkers we have here at the Taco, firmly convinced humans exist without limits (anything is possible) and future technology, human ingenuity or God Jesus - maybe all three? - will appear like manna at some point (in the nick of time?) to save us.
How I wish that were true.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:41am PT
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Good points, Corny.
Are you talking about sustainability and stability?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:47am PT
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Yes, they're just not possible across the whole of humanity given (amongst other things) its value structure which by way of education or the info age we've all come to know only too well. Something's gotta give.
I bet you know it, too.
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On that debbie downer, good night and sweet dreams...
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:53am PT
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Yes, I know these are more important to our mutual survival than is the matter of what an individual believes.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:55am PT
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OP had a admirable thread (idea).
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Loomis
climber
Peklo Vole!
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Aug 17, 2012 - 03:29am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
They're five miles high, as the crow flies, leaving blood-red vapour trails across the sky
Moving in from the east, towards the west, balaclava helmets over their heads
YES!
Well if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another think coming
If He ever finds out who's hijacked His name
He'll cut out His heart, and turn in His grave
Islam is rising, the Christians mobilizing
The world is on it's elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
"It's war," she cried, "It's war," she cried, "THIS IS WAR!"
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You'll fight them on the beaches, in your underclothes
You'll thank the Good Lord for raising the Union Jack
You'll watch the ships sail out of harbour
And the bodies come floating back
You'll watch the ships sail out of harbour
And the bodies come floating back
Well if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another think coming
If He ever finds out who's hijacked His name
He'll cut out His heart, and turn in His grave
Islam is rising, the Christians mobilizing
The world is on it's elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today,
He'd be gunned down cold by the CIA
For the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
Because God didn't build himself that throne
And God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God doesn't belong to the Yankee dollar
And God doesn't plant those bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown
Islam is rising, the Christians mobilizing
The world is on it's elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
Armageddon days are here... again
Armageddon days are here... again
Armageddon days are here... again
ARMAGEDDON DAYS ARE HERE... AGAIN!
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