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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2011 - 07:25pm PT

squishy,
is it french?

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 07:47pm PT

it is...you know your history..

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:05pm PT

Nope, she likes the 357 Rossi lever action. My sport utility rifle...

shoots 357mag, 38 special and 38 special +P (it likes the +P the best)
magazine feed or single rounds through the top
perfect for shotshells, Glasers, hydra shok, hydroshock or hollow points
I think the only round it doesn't use well or it's risky to use are jacketed rounds

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:10pm PT

I always like 9mm and .45 cal handguns, but then I'm still looking for a good rifle.

Just have my Turk Mauser right now....

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:19pm PT

If I had the money I would get a nice CZ75, I have always liked those. In 45 it's an easy answer, nothing can touch a 1911. I don't have to get one though, my father picked up a nice custom 1911 a few years ago, it's a beauty. I have always liked 380 as well, it's a hot little caliber, already have a KAHR in that size. The CZ83 is pretty nice too, I hate plastic guns like glocks, they are a joke to me. I doubt they will be around in 100 years like some of the others in our family collection, and how are you suppose to beat someone over the head with a plastic gun? You end up having to actually shoot assailants for it to be effective, that's just not good, leads to lawyers and paperwork and that's no fun at all. Not to mention top heavy guns like the glock rotate over their center of gravity, this is one reason why the 1911's are much more accurate..

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:29pm PT

I love my Kimber .45. Sweet engineering there.

My buddy has the sloppier CZ Czech-made pistol. Fires a rifle-round just about!

Big bang!!!!

He still prefers his Colt 1991A2 and his Berettas though.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:30pm PT

If that thing is french then who stole the M16 stock design? the french or Armilite?

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:33pm PT

McCann industries

but what is the original rifle?

It's such a unique rifle, I have always liked it, such an interesting meld of the old and new...only $1000 for the mod, I wonder if he still makes them...works out of a shack in Tacoma WA...

He just used the stock and buffer from an AR, it's a pill of off the shelf parts coupled with a custom lower, but you still have to give him a rifle to work from...

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2011 - 08:37pm PT

CZ75 was Jeff Cooper's pick for best pistol, and is still in my top 5.

I also have a Dan Wesson bobtail 1911 made by CZ, a true work of art.

I've heard bad things about Kahrs, but love mine (a .40).

So tell us about the Frog rifle.
Was it never fired and only dropped once?
Did it have a cutaway magazine so you could add dirt?

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:41pm PT

no, it's not a chauchat...lol...f*#k the french for that failure...I think the US infantry men who received them threw them in the ditch before ever firing them...mostly because they heard TRUE stories of their brothers dying because of it's failure. I have actually held one, Bill Atw#ter at Aberdeen let me in the safe once, it was a once in a lifetime experience, I saw plenty of US prototypes I can't speak about, the 1st m16 which banana peeled because of a lightweight barrel, the rocket rifle and plenty of stolen items with swastikas on them, some of them pretty big. I walked in and he was sitting there with an intern and threw me a full auto shotgun I have never seen before or after. I miss the good old days, we use to go drinking and sneak into the back of the German mobile artillery artifacts parked on the lawn. We found the round storage in the turret to be ample to hide bottles of rum till the weekend, undisclosed to the museum goers good times, good times...

If it wasn't for their contribution to artillery I would say the french have failed at just about every weapon they tried to produce. A very telling aspect of their peace loving nature...but this rifle wasn't half bad, maybe one of their best...

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:49pm PT

That's it, guys, that's the gun my buddy just bought. I guess a CZ52!

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2011 - 08:50pm PT

Well the French 75 was a world beater, and they did have a little Corsican general that won more battles than Caesar, Alexander and Hannibal combined.

You sound like that Brit in Last Of The Mohicans who talked about their latitudinous nature inclining the French to make love with their faces,..LOL

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 08:53pm PT

yeah the bottle necked 7.62x25, it's an interesting round, they made it that caliber so it would be compatible with their (the russians) sub gun of the time, the ppsh.

I am not a fan of that gun, it's cheap for a reason, CZ copied it from the russian TT-33...same gun...

I think any bottleneck pistol round or subgun round for that matter was designed for penetration, especially helmets...From FN, the FiveSeven and the P90 use the same principal, and the VSS Vintorez, from russia also use the same idea....The VAL is said to penetrate class 3 armour at 300 meters, silently....think about that for a moment...here's a picture...I am sure they have advanced the concept beyond my knowledge..

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Dec 28, 2011 - 09:25pm PT

Thread summary: "Mine is longer and wider than yours" x 180.

It seems no surprise that even for testosterone poisoned SuperTopo, all or virtually all the posters seem to be male.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2011 - 09:43pm PT

Thread summary: "Mine is longer and wider than yours" x 180.

Anders! What a hypocrite!

Besides, we are agreeing on the little .22LR.

Salamanizer

Trad climber

The land of Fruits & Nuts!

Dec 28, 2011 - 10:06pm PT

Squishy, that's a MAS-49.

Never shot one but hear they are one rugged reliable rifle.

Almost didn't recognize it with all that bling on it.

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 10:19pm PT

damn good dude, it's a MAS 49. Interesting what he has done with it eh? bling bling to the max...I have always wanted one like that, I bet it would be a hit at the range...

Good job...

squishy

Mountain climber

Dec 28, 2011 - 10:21pm PT

Dec 28, 2011 - 06:25pm PT
Thread summary: "Mine is longer and wider than yours" x 180.

It seems no surprise that even for testosterone poisoned SuperTopo, all or virtually all the posters seem to be male.

If there was any truth to this we would be talking about an entirely different set of calibers, but thanks for chiming in...