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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feminism is about women's right to ENVISION, CHOOSE and CREATE circumstances and opportunities in their lives. It has nothing to do with a destruction of family.
Unless you think a woman forced to bear children, and having opportunities withheld from her so she must be dependent on a man for survival is imperative as a guard against the breakdown of the traditional western family ideal.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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For nihilism go to the Russians. They write circles around Huxley.
Hehe! As for Huxley, I guess we all read out of his work what is in our hearts. Our own perceptions. Which is maybe why his work is so popular/controversial.
EDIT: Unless you think a woman forced to bear children, and having opportunities withheld from her so she must be dependent on a man for survival is imperative as a guard against the breakdown of the traditional western family ideal.
Never said that, nor meant it.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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George Orwell would be a conservative independent if he were alive today...
That may be the stupidest f*#king thing I've ever read.
An anarchist in the late 1920s, by the 1930s he had begun to consider himself a socialist. In 1936, he was commissioned to write an account of poverty among unemployed miners in northern England, which resulted in 'The Road to Wigan Pier' (1937). Late in 1936, Orwell travelled to Spain to fight for the Republicans against Franco's Nationalists. He was forced to flee in fear of his life from Soviet-backed communists who were suppressing revolutionary socialist dissenters. The experience turned him into a lifelong anti-Stalinist.
Between 1941 and 1943, Orwell worked on propaganda for the BBC. In 1943, he became literary editor of the Tribune, a weekly left-wing magazine. By now he was a prolific journalist, writing articles, reviews and books.
Sounds like every young lad. "If you aren't liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you are still liberal when you mature, you have no brains".
Bryan, you are trying to make Orwell seem like a socialist or commie.
That may be the stupidest f*#king analysis I've ever read. How could you possibly reach that conclusion from your quoted material?
Bluering, is there a community college near you? You might want to see if they have courses on logic and/or rhetoric.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Again, I think the gist of BNW was that of totalitarianism, whether it be Fascist, Communist, or anti-Feminist.
It was about a...wait....New World Order, where the paradigm of individualism is shifted towards gov't control of how you should conduct yourself. Of what is "acceptable" or "allowed" behaviors.
People like to put Communism and Fascism on opposite sides of the left-right political spectrum, but they are one in their totalitarianism.
Once you understand totalitaranism, nothing really matters. All the stupid labels. Liberty and personal freedom is all that matters. That also includes Feminism, whatever that means now. I'm still puzzled by it.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Bluering: Gary, that stuff I posted is from the BBC archives of famous peoples.
Yes, I'm not disputing that. It's the conclusion you drew from it that baffles me.
Was he an anti-Stalinist? You bet, but that didn't make him conservative. The socialists and the anarchists fighting on the republican side in the Spanish Civil War all came to hate Moscow and Berlin with equal fervor.
Did he write propaganda for the BBC? You bet, Britain was in a death struggle with fascism. The fact that he wrote for the BBC doesn't make him conservative.
You have one more false idea, that Orwell was a liberal. No, he was too far to the left to be a liberal.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Give it to me Bookie, you big hot conservative stud!
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2014 - 01:33pm PT
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$600 MILLION for abortions overseas...to protect animals????
from barry's latest budget:
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
prospero: tis new to thee
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dal Maxvill
Social climber
Illinois
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sullly, I think you missed his point.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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sully, you're badazz.
:) go get 'em!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sully and I merely misinterpreted the gist of the literature. She saw misogyny, and I saw totalitarian twisting of culture and values.
I think we're both right, but Sully seems to dwell on the mysogyist part and miss the bigger picture.
More accurately, I think, is that she just pointed out a perceived trend in the style of the author, with which I'd disagree.
What's ironic here is that the systems displayed in these books, points out out how the systems are oppressive to certain peoples. It's all peoples, actually, but everyone ignores the hurt that aren't themselves.
Everyone will only identify with their class, when push comes to shove. Everybody talks a good game about the poor, minorities, women's rights, but they don't give a fuk until they are directly affected.
This is a problem in our 'enlightened' society.
I wrote about this recently...
http://patdollard.com/2014/02/what-have-we-sown/
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
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Bookie's here to save us.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
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it's simple:
i believe, rationally, that all life begins at conception; so, yes, i believe aborted or miscarried children should be treated with dignity and mourned accordingly
f and survival, on the other hand, believe, irrationally, that life begins at some ever-arbitrary point that is most convenient to them, and, accordingly, see no dignity in life at all
how about this, f, every person who believes abortion is a "right" should volunteer their own unborn offspring for incineration...we'll even send the "fuel" to third world countries to help boost their economies...we'll even reduce global warming by reducing the population
i'll also resubmit a previous offer: f, i'll let you waterboard me if you let me abort you...i'll even let you go first; afterwards we'll discuss the morality of each action; granted, you won't have much to say, but i'll help you prove your point by feeding your remains into the nearest incinerator
you don't know soylent green and claim i'm in a bubble? oh, the irony...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
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see no dignity in life at all
What a bunch of bullsh#t. I see plenty of dignity in life, but I see little dignity in a bunch of holier than thou men telling women what they can and can't do with their body. Especially when the aforementioned man has no answer to what to do with all these single mothers who had no honorable christian men to take care of these kids and what to do with all these children in poverty with no great Bookie to raise and pay for them.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 24, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
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"I see plenty of dignity in life, but I see little dignity in a bunch of holier than thou men telling women what they can and can't do with their body."
Oh hells yes +1!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Mar 24, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
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The article headline is misleading.
The article is about SOME hospitals not following procedures, by not providing their patients who have miscarried before 13 weeks with options with regards to the remains.
It is about SOME hospitals not following a protocol that has been established.
It is not about a "widely accepted," Brave New World-like change in societal viewpoint. It is not about shoveling fetus' from abortion facilities into furnaces.
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