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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:14pm PT
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It's easy to talk sh#t when it's someone else's family and someone else's home being threatened.
Much easier, apparently, than actually going outside and doing something on a beautiful summer day.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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serious Abu Ghraib deja vu
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reddirt
climber
PNW
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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how are your dog(s)?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:27pm PT
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Just ignore apogee ya'll...he's not worth our breath.
I disagree with you Dean. I think he is worthwhile, even if I disagree with him sometimes, just as I think that you are worthwhile, even if I disagree with you occasionally.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:36pm PT
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Part of the problem is that people buy nice homes in the mountains and then howl that the bears are getting into where they live without realizing that the feeling is mutual!
Too many of these people then feel like THEIR rights are more important. The tragedy is that they are technically correct but morally wrong.
If realtors were forced to appraise people of the hazard there might be less of the indignant whiners living there, and those that chose to live within bear habitat would likely be more of the existential bent such as Cragman who is willing to stand the ground between a big problem animal and his family with a mere handgun chambered to a cartridge that barely has hair on its balls!!
Now if it had been a .45acp there wouldn't be a hole in the ass of its hide.
Forget it Cragman. Its Chinatown.
(you DO know that 4in the head and one in the ass will become a running joke on the taco known as the Cragman Treatment?)
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:37pm PT
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:40pm PT
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LOL, during the recent "siege of the bear" we had here in Wawona, I got nearly daily updates on the bear problem. haha..
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reddirt
climber
PNW
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:42pm PT
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I can't imagine chasing the bear out of the house given your pix... & even if there was a way to do so, the next time it would have gotten into someone's house could have ended in a much greater tragedy. After all, this one had priors based on your posts.
edit: if the tables were turned (person B & E into bear w/ cub turf) mama bear would have attempted to kill too.
edit: having to skim made me miss the fact it was never in the house... but what a close call
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:55pm PT
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Last two days in a row at the Maroon Bells, CO, a black bear has ripped through the tent of a camper and started chewing on his leg. Yikes.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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Thats a death sentence. Hope they get the right one.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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As long as they are not too hot, but not too cold either.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 09:23pm PT
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"Post killing a bear on a climbing forum and you should expect some responses that may not be plaased with said post."
Yep.
Cragman, I'll take you at your word that that bear was a real risk to your home & family, and possibly others in your area. If the situation was as you described, it sounds like a reasonable action. What's hard to understand is why you would post a thread like this, with a pic of you crouching over the animal with gun in hand, conquering-hunter-style, while at the same time saying how regretful and sorrowful you are to have had to do such a thing. It just doesn't sit right.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Aug 21, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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I would like to respectfully disagree with the posters who are saying, in essence, "if you were sad to have to kill the bear, you wouldn't be posting the photo".
People share things all the time on this forum through photos. And they are not all photos of climbs and flowers and babies. We've had photos of car wrecks, cut off thumbs, Cat scans (RIP Paul), blown up mobile homes and innumerable butt plugs, to mention some. When something dramatic happens to one of us, we make that event come alive for others through our photos.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Aug 21, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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that's a lot of meat..keep you through the winter and get you fat to boot. don't waste the precious resource...
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Aug 21, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
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Glad you weren’t hurt Cragman.
Walking through the forest, here, I’ve come onto skinned out bear carcasses left by hunters. Very grisly sight but the musculature of bears is quite awesome. I’ve heard they can crush a human skull with one swing (?).
The bears here seem more shy and sneaky. They are rarely seen …probably because the residents in the area aren’t feeding them. We get cougars sunning themselves on the cabin deck but no bear break-ins….YET !
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 21, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
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Well, looking at it another way, it may be a while before Cragman - or is that Plaidman? - lives down those trousers. In all the confusion and adrenalin, he must have forgotten to change into camouflage clothing.
Which is to say that the photo wasn't entirely flattering - although I'm sure I'd do no better, and perhaps worse, in such circumstances.
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OR
Trad climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 10:44pm PT
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So living in Curry Vill employee housing in the 90's i would encounter a bear , say, twice a week. "Shoo bear" and a tossed rock would work about 9 times out of 10. Can you Imagine, if visitors were allowed into the park with firearms, the blood bath that would take place on the basis of "defending" ones family. A bear would not be living in Yosimite.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Aug 21, 2011 - 10:50pm PT
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Five .40 cal S&W in the head? Why is there no blood in the pics? The bear is head downhill in the driveway; I would expect some pretty massive bleed out.
OR- weapons are allowed in national parks these daze.
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OR
Trad climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 10:50pm PT
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Hey Crag, I am not trying to start a sh#t storm. You come across as a solid person. I just have issue with these type of wildlife endings. You story was just a good start on this topic. Phil
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OR
Trad climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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OR- weapons are allowed in national parks these daze.
Wow really? So I'm out of the loop on that one. Really? while camping in the Valley?
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