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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jul 18, 2007 - 05:06pm PT
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"Are you saying he has a handle on the situation?"
decline of western civilization as we know it...
:)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2007 - 08:03pm PT
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Tom, I don't know if Lewis knows there's no taper. All I do know is he has one on his desk. All your comments make sense to me and maybe Lewis would agree based on the 'no taper' aspect of the design. I wasn't being harsh or flippant in my suggestion you take over the handle deal - as we go along there will be plenty of aspects of this that need to be managed and folks will be more than welcome to jump in and "handle" aspects of the project. Theron said he'd give Lewis a shout and see where we stand. I'm suspecting we'll have to disassemble my hammer and just send him the handle to copy and ask for more of them as a custom order.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 18, 2007 - 08:51pm PT
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Healyje - Thanks for clearing that up.
If Lewis has a completed hammer on his desk, he probably has no idea that the eye is not tapered.
Since the top of the Chouinard handle I have fits the A5 head, that could be sent to Lewis, instead. Even though it's old, it's in pretty good condition, particularly the tenon that fits in the eye of the head. The actual dimensions of the tenon, to provide an interference fit, could be specified.
The cost to produce a short run of custom handles might be quite high, though. If he can provide an off-the-shelf handle that can be modified, that might be better. I could make the jigs and cut the tenons in my shop. Doing them in-house would also allow for fine-tuning the interference fit. Fifteen thousandths of an inch one way or the other would make a huge difference.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2007 - 03:24am PT
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Tom, I think at this point we've been down the road of replicating this handle to the point where I think we'd at least like to see a quote before we turned away from that path to an alternative handle. That may well be the way we go, but let's make a last effort to either locate the right handle or get a quote for it before we make that call...
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 19, 2007 - 12:50pm PT
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Absolutely. I was just mentioning that both options should be investigated.
I'm going to drop the A5 head and Chouinard handle off with Theron today.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2007 - 02:43am PT
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Dropped by Jim Opdycke's place and Bill Coe was there collecting some gear he'd lent Jim and this Kong hammer was among the stuff. I hadn't seen one before. It's a pretty heavy and there's nothing refined about the feel or the manufacture. But the top wedge is a fairly interesting and I've never seen anything like it before.
Also, the handle that goes through the head has a slight trapezoid profile and the circular wedge device is 'centered' more on the high side of the trapezoid. I can't tell if the slight trapezoid and the placement of the wedge device are on purpose or accidental as again, the manufacturing is fairly rough and crude (tangs off-center on handle, holes through tangs are way to opposite sides off the center line). And while the wedge device looks like it would come out the first time you use the hammer it appears to be completely solid. I'm going to forward those pictures to Lewis and see what he has to say about it just for curiosity's sake (but we won't be doing this).
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Oct 30, 2007 - 10:09pm PT
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Hey Joe,
Any chance these rascals are going to be ready by March? I've just been informed I'm going to need a hammer by April 15th. I'd rather buy one of these than anything else. So how is the project going?
Zander
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2007 - 10:45pm PT
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Haven't talked to Theron lately to see where we're at with the handles, but I suspect we're now at the point where I'm going to have to take mine apart and send just the handle in order to get any movement again.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Feb 27, 2008 - 02:31am PT
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Screw the handle, I can handle the handle myself.
Just get it done.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2008 - 03:48am PT
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No, we're still just stalled out on the handles and no dirt, it'll be whole hammers. Theron - where are we at with the handle? Should I disassemble my hammer and send it to Seymour?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Feb 27, 2008 - 04:44am PT
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IF you are determined to screw with the handles I wonder if you have any appreciation of grain runout, what can happen as a result of grain runout, and how to avoid those problems.
If you plan on modifying a bunch of stock handle blanks, prepare to order about then times what you need and send back the ones that don't meet the ideal.
I'd like to bang at least a couple things with one of these wonder hammers before I die, then the hammer will go to Stegg or Corbett, or maybe Noffsinger. Stegg might lose it, Corbett probably won't apreciate it enough, but Noffsinger actually aid climbs as well as hand drills on free climbs so the stupid thing will have a happy home or at least the chance of one, if you get em done in time.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Feb 27, 2008 - 05:37am PT
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Theron is growing trees inside little steel tubes, to keep the grain straight. His High Sodium lamps are driving the local cops crazy.
8-)
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Feb 27, 2008 - 02:05pm PT
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Where’s my A5 hammer? Joseph, don’t forget that you promised me that you’d drive out to the mid-west to get it if they didn’t send it back! ;)
I’m lagging on the beak end of things… we’re really close and I just need to bash up the latest (and hopefully final) prototype to make sure it’s the one. Purgatory later today... or tomorrow.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Feb 27, 2008 - 02:11pm PT
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Well Tom, I really hope he has some sort of torque preventer cause trees twist in the wind, and you might not want twisted grain!!
Plus you'll have to air dry the wood for a number of years before milling, so, allowing 30 years for the wood to grow, and ten for aging, I guess I'll never see a hammer, and most of you will be in your 90's before you can hit anything with one.
That's probably when the heads will be done anyway, hehehe.
Meanwhile I'll continue to have people make fun of my 15 dollar cassini hammer.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2008 - 04:10pm PT
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Minerals, I meant that too. I will personally go get it if I have to in the end - we aren't at all to such a point yet.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2008 - 05:20pm PT
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Paul, I think if you had availed yourself of the chance you'd know why we're after that exact specific hammer. My apologies for all the delay - we just need to pin the damn handle down - every thing else is doable at this point.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Feb 27, 2008 - 06:06pm PT
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Healyje,
When the time comes I'll volunteer as extra manual labor. I think I was still in that other state when I signed onto the wish list 3 years back.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 11, 2008 - 10:10pm PT
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Someone mentioned this thread, so I thought I'd revive it.
In doing so, I thought it might help to provide information about how not to design things. The following is "The Featherstone-Kite Openwork Basket-Weave Mark Two Gentleman's Flying Machine", drawn and built by the great Rowland Emett.
A working model (well, it doesn't actually fly) is at the Ontario Science Centre:
Emmet was a fascinating man, who might have taught all the designers here a trick or two. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_Emett
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