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scuffy b
climber
dissected alluvial deposits, late Pleistocene
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May 18, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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heh, eeyonkee thinks we haven't been visited by aliens.
Who else would be posting here?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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May 18, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
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Karl Baba via W. Braun's post "no one has seen God."
Jesus actually talks about heaven in a manuscript written by John, one of Jesus best friends. In John 14......Jesus also says there "anyone who has seen me has seen the Father."
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WBraun
climber
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May 18, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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You guys have been owned .....
Stephen Hawking has suggested that aliens almost certainly exist but has warned humanity not to try to contact them.
One of the world’s leading scientists makes the claim in a new television documentary series, beginning on the Discovery Channel next month.
Hawking says that in a universe with 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars, it is unlikely that earth is the only place where life has evolved.
“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said, according to The Sunday Times.
“The real challenge is working out what aliens might actually be like.”
“I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.”
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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May 18, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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Scuffy - I'm an idiot for posting to this thread. You'd think I'd learn.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 18, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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. . . in addition to being the inventor of Calculus
Along with Leibniz, who gave us some of our modern functional notation. Both scientists, if I recall properly, made somewhat spiritual excursions into the infinitesimal, accepting the existence of positive "numerical" entities smaller than positive real numbers. That's a leap of faith.
Would Hawking be pleased with a heaven in which he could continue his tortured existence for eternity?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 18, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Do you know what Newton said his greatest achievement was?
His lifelong virginity...
Reason his difficulty accepting emotion.
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kiwi
Trad climber
Olympia, WA
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May 18, 2011 - 10:56pm PT
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Some people hypothesize that moses's burning bush was actually the product of a shroom trip. which is much more believable then some divine miracle. Psilocybin is a very plausible explanation...
http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/10494.shtml?ID=10494
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A community of hairless apes
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May 18, 2011 - 11:20pm PT
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What's bigger in life, eh? than drilling down deep on age-old questions.
What's more,
This boy claims he's been to heaven,
He claims he's seen Jesus and two of the Apostles.
Now lots of religious people - even some at this forum - have the attitude that it would be "arrogant" for the rest of us to use our species intelligence and decision-making power to conclude this boy's claim is bogus.
Their attitude is that we should try to be "open-minded" about it. Their attitude is that we should at least be "agnostic" about it and not draw any conclusion. After all, as one argument goes, we weren't there. Anything more and we are being "dismissive" to a fault.
To this attitude, I say nonsense.
I say it can be boiled down to what is and isn't reasonable.
(1) Is this attitude reasonable?
(2) Would it be reasonable to be "agnostic" concerning this boy's claim once armed with a basic science education (that has informed your mind-brain how the world works) and 20 -30 years experience in human functioning (that's revealed tendencies amongst humans time and again to lie, cheat, steal, tell fictitious stories, etc.)?
Reasonable? Maybe. Maybe if you're a child or childesque lacking experience in the ways of the world.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A community of hairless apes
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May 18, 2011 - 11:36pm PT
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See ya all later, folks, appreciate the insights. It was great fun. :)
.....
Climb high, climb far
Your goal the sky, your aim the star
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go-B
climber
Sozo
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May 19, 2011 - 12:09am PT
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Isaiah 55:8, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 19, 2011 - 12:26am PT
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don't think age necessarily precludes you from creative thinking
I totally agree with you Lynnie. However in a biography on Robert Oppenheimer I found it interesting that it mentioned that at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton the scientists that were invited to study there were typically very young (30ish) and the social scientists and folks from the humanities were the "old" guys (50s-60s). (The non-hard core scientists were resented by the empirical scientists) The narrative suggested that the "hard core" scientists that were cutting edge thinkers and theorists were young because the older "hard core" scientists lost their edge in terms of "what might be" as they crystallized their thoughts around what they had researched/studied and no longer continued to have break through thinking. The book also indicates that Einstein on his death bed was still working equations to try to discredit quantum theory.
Pure empirical evidence has its place, but the ability to work with interpretive and nuanced knowledge/evidence does come from maturity and life experiences.
Many people hold Einstein and Hawking and Newton in extremely high regard. I probably do too, but of all physicists Robert Oppenheimer is my hero....(I have no idea if he believed in heaven...and what our government did to him was tragic. ) Susan
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2011 - 12:34am PT
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/1-27.htm
1 Corinthians 1:27 (KJV)
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;..."
1 Corinthians 1:27 (ISV)
"But God chose what is nonsense in the world to make the wise feel ashamed. God chose what is weak in the world to make the strong feel ashamed."
Hey Naysayers,
The little boy you make fun of has met The Son of GOD face to face in Heaven.
Have you?
Matthew 19:14 (KJV)
"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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May 19, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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I'm going with Neil deGrasse Tyson-
"There are 1.2 billion people on this planet that don't believe in heaven, but somehow when Stephen Hawking says it, it's news."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2011 - 01:12am PT
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as soon as HFCS ducks out go-B and Klimmer get loud.
Sounds like a conspiracy. (Eyes rolling)
Lol.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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May 19, 2011 - 01:46am PT
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That ought to make Nature feel good
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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 19, 2011 - 02:34am PT
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still got a bite of delhi belly but otherwise... yeah... I do feel pretty good.
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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May 19, 2011 - 09:28am PT
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...Adam and Eve... ...Garden of Eden... Seriously? You really believe that stuff?
OMFG!!!!
Guess you also believe that God caused the Sun to stand still in the sky for an entire day, so his chosen people could win a fight (Joshua 10:13-14).
In doing so, what he really did was cause the Earth to stop rotating, and had to suspend gravity that day so the Earth wouldn't fall into the sun, nor the Moon into the Earth, and had to manage the oceans, since the equatorial buldge caused by the Earth's rotation wouldn't be there, causeing LOTS of really big tsunamis, etc...
You know... I have a bridge over the Red Sea that I'd like to sell you... Moses once traveled over it.
Life after death is the same as life before birth!
If you think about it, rather than ignore it, you can either accept it,
or 'make something up' to fool yourself in order to make it go away.
But, in the end, the above statement is still true!
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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 19, 2011 - 09:41am PT
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oh i dunno dingus. it depends on how you look at it.
Hawking caused a bunch of nut jobs to get their panties all bunched up. watching that unfold is worth the price of admission.
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monolith
climber
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May 19, 2011 - 09:55am PT
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Still, I'd rather listen to Hawking's opinion, than Joe the plumber's.
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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 19, 2011 - 12:01pm PT
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I can dig what you are saying dingus. Hawking shouldn't be applying his scientific mind towards something that falls completely out of the scientific realm.
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